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On March 26 2011 12:48 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2011 12:46 city42 wrote:On March 26 2011 12:42 HolyArrow wrote:On March 26 2011 12:37 DiaBoLuS wrote:
Socke missed that forcefield.
5secs delay from europe. Lmao. The thing is that there's already been plenty of posts here stating that EU->NA is pretty much fine, while many people are obviously stating that KR-> NA is pretty bad. Don't get all bitter and sarcastic because you don't like the facts. By plenty do you mean one? Here's a snippet from Socke's interview after winning the J.tv invitational last week (on NA server):
He’s got a good 4 gate build, I don’t know if he’s a strong player or not but he seemed to all-in a lot throughout the tournament so lets just play safe even though you’re not really able to do good 4 gate wars with the lag currently. That is what went through my mind.
If the EU-->NA lag is such that he can't even 4 gate properly, I would hardly call that "pretty much fine." It's evident from your posts that you are hugely protective of the Korean players, but stop being an idiot. Ouch. If the EU->NA lag is that bad and the KR->NA lag is even worse, then that's pretty terrible for the KR players.
You're also neglecting to consider the time issue. This tournament is based around the SEA timezones (the admins stated as much during the first FXOpen invitational), so the Koreans are playing at a comfortable time while the EU guys have to play in the wee hours of the morning. This is obviously having an effect on their play, as Socke just blew a completely won game vs. Zenio by not reacting fast enough to the ramp.
Lastly, if the lag makes it so unplayable, and everyone has known about this since TSL last weekend, the Koreans could have simply declined their invites. No one is holding a gun to their head and forcing them to play. If they choose to compete, they have to abide by the tournament rules, which means playing on the NA server. Latency is just a side effect of that, so it's not acceptable as an excuse for losing.
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On March 26 2011 12:51 GenoZStriker wrote:He was behind the whole game. The infinite FF ramp was the only chance he had to maybe get back into this. But he missed one and lost his whole army. He never got a third and was low on upgrades.
yeah, that was probably when it was over, never really watched the foodcount, but noticed zenio being way ahead there in the end
and staying on 190+ over the whole battle in the end :O
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On March 26 2011 12:52 Chicane wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2011 12:47 Namu wrote:On March 26 2011 12:44 Chicane wrote:On March 26 2011 12:39 Namu wrote:On March 26 2011 12:38 Chicane wrote:On March 26 2011 12:29 Namu wrote:On March 26 2011 12:27 DiaBoLuS wrote:On March 26 2011 12:24 Namu wrote:On March 26 2011 12:19 DiaBoLuS wrote:On March 26 2011 12:17 Namu wrote:
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When I play on the korean server, the lag is close to 1.5 sec.
I wouldn't be surprised if they're actually getting 1+ seconds of latency...
and Boxer also mentioned the latency was really really bad for TSL, at least a full second.
I don't know about you but I give more credit to boxer than "a friend of mine" it wasnt boxer who said it, it was his gf  but just watching the games tells a different story. stalker attacks a ling on hold position. 0.3 secs later the ling moves. how is that possible with 1 sec latency... do you guys even know how much a second is in a RTS?^^ yeah you must've had a stopwatch out and measured that 0.3 seconds huh? point is, 1 second lag is possible. this is from personal experience 4~ days ago. you have no idea what you're talking about... tell me how to moving shot like zenio did with 1 sec, or move lings when attacked asap. when you have the answer, i might get conviced it is a second. did i ever say it was a second? i said i wouldn't be suprised if it was a full second. and mind you, latency is not a consistent thing. it'll fluctuate through the game, it may be 300 ms one moment, then spike up to 700 ms, etc... Dude... you said when you play on the KR server you have 1.5 and that you wouldn't be surprised if they had over a second of delay/lag... but then when he starts talking about 1 second delay/lag you're like "Whoa I never said a second... I said I wouldn't be surprised" but the fact is that if you say you experience that much and you basically say that it is very possible/likely that there is 1+ second delay... you are saying that there is a second. Of course you aren't sure, but to respond like "whoa 1 second delay? Where is this coming from I never said that was the case" after what you said is stupid. ????? how is "i wouldn't be surprised if they had 1 sec delay" the same as "they have 1 sec delay"? You said that when you played you had 1.5 seconds therefore implying that 1+ seconds is more than likely. You don't have to play dumb and say "what? 1 second? Where is this coming from?" Of course the sentences aren't exactly the same... but if you really can't put the pieces together then forget it. My only point was that after you mentioned that you had over a second of delay you then started pretending like you never mentioned them having 1+ second of delay. I did have more than a second of delay. And I did say I wouldn't be surprised if they did too. But that's entirely different from putting words in my mouth and saying they do have one second of delay. Diabolus asked me to explain how they have 1 second, and I simply stated that I never said they do have 1 second of lag, I said I wouldn't be surprised if they did based on my personal experience. I never said "where is this 1 second stuff coming from." You're just assuming shit and saying I'm playing dumb... I understand what you are saying... but the person you responded to basically said "It doesn't appear there is 1 second delay.. it seems more like .3 second delay" and you said "1 second lag is possible." Either that was just a completely random statement that you made as a reply to his comment about .3 second delay... or you were implying that it is more likely that the delay is up to a second. The point is... if someone comments on delay being lower and you say "it's possible that its 1+ second" (over 3 times what he said) that you are implying that it is in fact larger than what he says. I don't know why you would make that statement otherwise if you weren't implying anything such as the likeliness that it is a second... which is what I am referring to. Either way, it's not worth arguing over this. Say what you'd like to say as a response and I'm done.
I guess you didn't read my response about lag not being consistent...
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its fixed ladies, enough of the spoilers
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Is the chinese commentator twirling a revolver?! LOL that is so badass
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On March 26 2011 12:47 Finrod1 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2011 12:42 DiaBoLuS wrote:On March 26 2011 12:41 monx wrote:On March 26 2011 12:40 frequency wrote: CheckPrime.WE defeats  oGsMC - replays will be uploaded momentarily. Mindblown. Not sure if MC just didnt care about this tourney or what. Well gogo Supernova. it was obviously the korea - korea lag issue. Please stop it. Can't stand your endless complaining and your "europeans are better then everything" is really annoying. Just enjoy the games and casting.
Indeed what a biased hater
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On March 26 2011 12:53 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2011 12:51 TazzDingo wrote:On March 26 2011 12:50 SiguR wrote:Spoiler for idra vs f91. Hasn't been casted yet afaik so don't look if you don't want to be spoiled + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler +hm? In the bracket, F91 advanced 2-0 Probably a mistake? I can't see Idra losing 2-0 in ZvZ especially with latency on F91's part.
yup. fixed now.
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On March 26 2011 12:53 ptbl wrote:
Strelok with some bad micro. He had some good micro against checkprime, but against britney, not so much.
It's almost 5AM in Europe. Wouldn't surprise me. Socke also didn't look so hot in his last match against Zenio, compared to when they started.
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EDIT: see two posts above
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On March 26 2011 12:54 red4ce wrote:
Is the chinese commentator twirling a revolver?! LOL that is so badass
WTF hes holding a fucking sniper rifle now?
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puuh im glad socke lost because i cant hear that lag-blabla anymore...im getting nervous...
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On March 26 2011 12:54 ttomelle wrote:
puuh im glad socke lost because i cant hear that lag-blabla anymore...im getting nervous...
hm, Zenio will play either against a NA or EU player next, so don't get your hopes up too high :|
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I guess the chinese dude got pissed Socke lost... he just pulled out a rifle lol
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haha miDnight and his guns, lol!
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wtf this dude is scary O_o
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On March 26 2011 12:54 ttomelle wrote:
puuh im glad socke lost because i cant hear that lag-blabla anymore...im getting nervous...
Why are you glad that Socke lost, if you don't want to hear lag-blabla? lol
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On March 26 2011 12:57 Ohdamn wrote:
wtf this dude is scary O_o
I wouldn't invite him to a LAN event... :D :D
idra vs cloud getting streamed somewhere?
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Better not mess with midnight. Dude's got a collection of loaded guns LOL.
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On March 26 2011 12:32 GP wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2011 12:30 Trig wrote:On March 26 2011 12:27 GP wrote:On March 26 2011 12:24 Trig wrote:On March 26 2011 12:23 GP wrote:On March 26 2011 12:20 Trig wrote:On March 26 2011 12:18 GP wrote:On March 26 2011 12:17 Trig wrote:On March 26 2011 12:12 Redox wrote:On March 26 2011 12:08 IdrA wrote:
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no hes right i was massively outplayed
he didnt choose zerg
those fundamental mistakes keep getting to me This was funny like 3 months ago. Now its only boring. No, it's still funny. I guess if you like that sort of whiny humor--different strokes I guess. I don't think it's whiny, he's just being blunt. I haven't watched the games though. It's whiny because it's the same thinly veiled excuses he always makes, same old story, same boring humor. Well you're implying that old jokes are just not funny, which isn't true. It depends on the person. As Tastosis say "joke funny>joke not funny>joke more funny than it used to be". Although there is some truth to what idra says  That's why I said different strokes, I don't doubt it depends on the person, and Terran just got a huge stim nerf and Zerg just got a massive infestor buff, I don't buy that shit anymore, I'd rather believe the better player won and not take credit away from the player because of the race he plays. I guess, but infestor buff doesn't really stop 1 base all ins (which is what Idra loses to i'm assuming). Fuck that shit, I've seen Idra lose macro games all the time, and Strelok isn't an all-in player.
I never said he didn't lose macro games :/
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you people know those a BB guns right? acting like he's really playing around with a real gun live on stream
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