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On March 03 2011 21:29 brassmonkey1211 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2011 21:24 Rabiator wrote:On March 03 2011 21:21 syllogism wrote:On March 03 2011 21:20 Rabiator wrote:On March 03 2011 21:19 syllogism wrote:On March 03 2011 21:18 Rabiator wrote:On March 03 2011 21:13 dre2k wrote:On March 03 2011 21:06 BertiliO wrote:On March 03 2011 21:01 dre2k wrote:On March 03 2011 21:00 BertiliO wrote:
Really disrespectful of Idra to interrupt an interview like that. He should learn to show some kind of sportsmanship. Why should he? Are you trolling? I actually enjoy rivalry but keep it at a mature and reasonable level. I think it's safe to assume most would agree that what idra did was very childish and uncalled for. EDIT: Maybe I shouldn't jump to conclusions until I know what actually happened, but it felt like whatever idra said morrow seemed to be offended. You don't even know what he said and wtf is with everyone expecting and forcing politeness onto players. Being polite should be expected from players and not "a bonus". Do you see the Koreans bash each other in such a cheap way as some westerners do? No you dont. Go and look this up in the Liquipedia: Definition of GOSU ... " Gosu in Korean literally translates to "high hand" and it refers to a player with superior manner and skill." I have boldened the important detail ... lets not turn Starcraft 2 into another WWF ... Yes, there is a lot of trash talking in GSL and it's good for the show Not from the players ... or else you are watching a different GSL from me. You haven't been reading some of the interviews or pregame comments then. There have been a lot of "I don't think he is very good...", "I will crush him easily" type of remarks. They dont do it on camera and saying "I don't think he is very good" in a non-televised interview isnt trash talking. You "claim" in your post that it is good for the show .... but it cant be good for the show if it isnt on the show. actually they say "i dont think he is very good" and shit like that all the time. there have been many excerpts from when the groups were picked by the players that have been put in the show as pregame to hype it up. you have no idea what you are talking about
I think as long as people just critize the skill - even in harsh words - and don't insult the player as person it is all fine.
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On March 03 2011 21:26 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2011 21:24 Rabiator wrote:On March 03 2011 21:21 syllogism wrote:On March 03 2011 21:20 Rabiator wrote:On March 03 2011 21:19 syllogism wrote:On March 03 2011 21:18 Rabiator wrote:On March 03 2011 21:13 dre2k wrote:On March 03 2011 21:06 BertiliO wrote:On March 03 2011 21:01 dre2k wrote:On March 03 2011 21:00 BertiliO wrote:
Really disrespectful of Idra to interrupt an interview like that. He should learn to show some kind of sportsmanship. Why should he? Are you trolling? I actually enjoy rivalry but keep it at a mature and reasonable level. I think it's safe to assume most would agree that what idra did was very childish and uncalled for. EDIT: Maybe I shouldn't jump to conclusions until I know what actually happened, but it felt like whatever idra said morrow seemed to be offended. You don't even know what he said and wtf is with everyone expecting and forcing politeness onto players. Being polite should be expected from players and not "a bonus". Do you see the Koreans bash each other in such a cheap way as some westerners do? No you dont. Go and look this up in the Liquipedia: Definition of GOSU ... " Gosu in Korean literally translates to "high hand" and it refers to a player with superior manner and skill." I have boldened the important detail ... lets not turn Starcraft 2 into another WWF ... Yes, there is a lot of trash talking in GSL and it's good for the show Not from the players ... or else you are watching a different GSL from me. You haven't been reading some of the interviews or pregame comments then. There have been a lot of "I don't think he is very good...", "I will crush him easily" type of remarks. They dont do it on camera and saying "I don't think he is very good" in a non-televised interview isnt trash talking. You "claim" in your post that it is good for the show .... but it cant be good for the show if it isnt on the show. Many of these interviews were on camera. The most obvious example was Polt saying Jinro isn't very good and has just been lucky.
He said that?! D:<
Guess he just made because Jinro raped him when they played in the GSL. Yeah I guess if you run a small force of marine tank into your opponents tank line in a choke the other guy is bad.
...jinro hwaiting.
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On March 03 2011 21:26 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2011 21:24 Rabiator wrote:On March 03 2011 21:21 syllogism wrote:On March 03 2011 21:20 Rabiator wrote:On March 03 2011 21:19 syllogism wrote:On March 03 2011 21:18 Rabiator wrote:On March 03 2011 21:13 dre2k wrote:On March 03 2011 21:06 BertiliO wrote:On March 03 2011 21:01 dre2k wrote:On March 03 2011 21:00 BertiliO wrote:
Really disrespectful of Idra to interrupt an interview like that. He should learn to show some kind of sportsmanship. Why should he? Are you trolling? I actually enjoy rivalry but keep it at a mature and reasonable level. I think it's safe to assume most would agree that what idra did was very childish and uncalled for. EDIT: Maybe I shouldn't jump to conclusions until I know what actually happened, but it felt like whatever idra said morrow seemed to be offended. You don't even know what he said and wtf is with everyone expecting and forcing politeness onto players. Being polite should be expected from players and not "a bonus". Do you see the Koreans bash each other in such a cheap way as some westerners do? No you dont. Go and look this up in the Liquipedia: Definition of GOSU ... " Gosu in Korean literally translates to "high hand" and it refers to a player with superior manner and skill." I have boldened the important detail ... lets not turn Starcraft 2 into another WWF ... Yes, there is a lot of trash talking in GSL and it's good for the show Not from the players ... or else you are watching a different GSL from me. You haven't been reading some of the interviews or pregame comments then. There have been a lot of "I don't think he is very good...", "I will crush him easily" type of remarks. They dont do it on camera and saying "I don't think he is very good" in a non-televised interview isnt trash talking. You "claim" in your post that it is good for the show .... but it cant be good for the show if it isnt on the show. Many of these interviews were on camera. The most obvious example was Polt saying Jinro isn't very good and has just been lucky.
I haven't seen a scenario where MvP for instance interrupts MCs interview in the Finals of a GSL. Point is a bit of trash-talk is all good and fun, but as I said earlier it should be kept at a reasonable and mature level. Besides Idra trashtalking morrows zerg is really getting old and uncalled for.
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On March 03 2011 21:30 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2011 21:26 syllogism wrote:On March 03 2011 21:24 Rabiator wrote:On March 03 2011 21:21 syllogism wrote:On March 03 2011 21:20 Rabiator wrote:On March 03 2011 21:19 syllogism wrote:On March 03 2011 21:18 Rabiator wrote:On March 03 2011 21:13 dre2k wrote:On March 03 2011 21:06 BertiliO wrote:On March 03 2011 21:01 dre2k wrote:
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Why should he? Are you trolling? I actually enjoy rivalry but keep it at a mature and reasonable level. I think it's safe to assume most would agree that what idra did was very childish and uncalled for. EDIT: Maybe I shouldn't jump to conclusions until I know what actually happened, but it felt like whatever idra said morrow seemed to be offended. You don't even know what he said and wtf is with everyone expecting and forcing politeness onto players. Being polite should be expected from players and not "a bonus". Do you see the Koreans bash each other in such a cheap way as some westerners do? No you dont. Go and look this up in the Liquipedia: Definition of GOSU ... " Gosu in Korean literally translates to "high hand" and it refers to a player with superior manner and skill." I have boldened the important detail ... lets not turn Starcraft 2 into another WWF ... Yes, there is a lot of trash talking in GSL and it's good for the show Not from the players ... or else you are watching a different GSL from me. You haven't been reading some of the interviews or pregame comments then. There have been a lot of "I don't think he is very good...", "I will crush him easily" type of remarks. They dont do it on camera and saying "I don't think he is very good" in a non-televised interview isnt trash talking. You "claim" in your post that it is good for the show .... but it cant be good for the show if it isnt on the show. Many of these interviews were on camera. The most obvious example was Polt saying Jinro isn't very good and has just been lucky. He said that?! D:< Guess he just made because Jinro raped him when they played in the GSL. Yeah I guess if you run a small force of marine tank into your opponents tank line in a choke the other guy is bad. ...jinro hwaiting.
Oh, it was hilarious, Polt didn't just eat his words, Jinro rammed them down his throat.
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On March 03 2011 21:21 Spectorials wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2011 21:18 walklightwhat wrote:On March 03 2011 21:16 Spectorials wrote:
To me it seems like the gap is widening between Korean playing players and the rest.
I watch a lot of SC2 and these Code A players are fairly owning the Europeans and Americans...
This is not a racial thing, just a regime (see Glade's success already..). Hopefully NASL will change this a bit for the Americas. I think most of the guys who've gone to Korea have said the same (IdrA, TLO) that it's about how you live/practice just SC2. I think we'll see a lot more foreign players deciding to live together to get that environment (Idra/Inka/Machine, CatZ/Drewbie and I think a couple of the fnatic guys). And we'll see the gap stay fairly close between those types of players and the Koreans. However, additional to this. To be better you have to play against the best. So I think it will be a while before the level is raised outside of Korea
This is true. Even if things like the NASL, MLG, and Dreamhack make it feasible to copy the korean model in the US/EU it will take a few years for it to get going before everyone catches up. The best thing to do would be to just acknowledge the skill gap and get better. I think it is important to have players in korea, and koreans in foreign tournaments though, or the scenes will just become isolated again and the foreign scene will stagnate.
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On March 03 2011 21:30 The KY wrote:
He said that?! D:<
Guess he just made because Jinro raped him when they played in the GSL. Yeah I guess if you run a small force of marine tank into your opponents tank line in a choke the other guy is bad.
...jinro hwaiting.
He said that before they played.
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Well yeah, players can decide for themselves if they are to be mannered, or idiotically miserable. But if they chose the latter, then expect to have fewer fans and more haters. IdrA doesn't seem to care, that's ok. Problem solved. Now what is the purpose of his fanboys explaining how his stupid behaviour makes him superiour or sth ? I can understand idra but his fans around here ...
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On March 03 2011 21:31 BertiliO wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2011 21:26 syllogism wrote:On March 03 2011 21:24 Rabiator wrote:On March 03 2011 21:21 syllogism wrote:On March 03 2011 21:20 Rabiator wrote:On March 03 2011 21:19 syllogism wrote:On March 03 2011 21:18 Rabiator wrote:On March 03 2011 21:13 dre2k wrote:On March 03 2011 21:06 BertiliO wrote:On March 03 2011 21:01 dre2k wrote:
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Why should he? Are you trolling? I actually enjoy rivalry but keep it at a mature and reasonable level. I think it's safe to assume most would agree that what idra did was very childish and uncalled for. EDIT: Maybe I shouldn't jump to conclusions until I know what actually happened, but it felt like whatever idra said morrow seemed to be offended. You don't even know what he said and wtf is with everyone expecting and forcing politeness onto players. Being polite should be expected from players and not "a bonus". Do you see the Koreans bash each other in such a cheap way as some westerners do? No you dont. Go and look this up in the Liquipedia: Definition of GOSU ... " Gosu in Korean literally translates to "high hand" and it refers to a player with superior manner and skill." I have boldened the important detail ... lets not turn Starcraft 2 into another WWF ... Yes, there is a lot of trash talking in GSL and it's good for the show Not from the players ... or else you are watching a different GSL from me. You haven't been reading some of the interviews or pregame comments then. There have been a lot of "I don't think he is very good...", "I will crush him easily" type of remarks. They dont do it on camera and saying "I don't think he is very good" in a non-televised interview isnt trash talking. You "claim" in your post that it is good for the show .... but it cant be good for the show if it isnt on the show. Many of these interviews were on camera. The most obvious example was Polt saying Jinro isn't very good and has just been lucky. I haven't seen a scenario where MvP for instance interrupts MCs interview in the Finals of a GSL. Point is a bit of trash-talk is all good and fun, but as I said earlier it should be kept at a reasonable and mature level. Besides Idra trashtalking morrows zerg is really getting old and uncalled for.
A more experienced Interviewer would have just ignored it 
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On March 03 2011 21:23 dre2k wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2011 21:14 Skytalker wrote:On March 03 2011 21:13 dre2k wrote:On March 03 2011 21:06 BertiliO wrote:On March 03 2011 21:01 dre2k wrote:On March 03 2011 21:00 BertiliO wrote:
Really disrespectful of Idra to interrupt an interview like that. He should learn to show some kind of sportsmanship. Why should he? Are you trolling? I actually enjoy rivalry but keep it at a mature and reasonable level. I think it's safe to assume most would agree that what idra did was very childish and uncalled for. EDIT: Maybe I shouldn't jump to conclusions until I know what actually happened, but it felt like whatever idra said morrow seemed to be offended. You don't even know what he said and wtf is with everyone expecting and forcing politeness onto players. What's wrong with expecting politeness from everyone, and if there are no, to lash out at it? IdrA calls it as it is (or he sees it) and doesn't care about being politically correct, and that's his own choice. People seem to be trying to force being politically correct onto players, which I think is very boring and just no necessary.
Political correctness has nothing to do with it being okay interrupting a live interview on stage. It shows a lack of respect to the interviewer, player, organization, and event. If it was some random person interrupting he'd be thrown out out of 99% of the events no matter what he said. If it was done to Idra he'd think the guy interrupting him was an asshole.
Trash talking your opponent before and after a match is VASTLY different than interrupting interviews no matter what he said.
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On March 03 2011 21:30 TBO wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2011 21:29 brassmonkey1211 wrote:On March 03 2011 21:24 Rabiator wrote:On March 03 2011 21:21 syllogism wrote:On March 03 2011 21:20 Rabiator wrote:On March 03 2011 21:19 syllogism wrote:On March 03 2011 21:18 Rabiator wrote:On March 03 2011 21:13 dre2k wrote:On March 03 2011 21:06 BertiliO wrote:On March 03 2011 21:01 dre2k wrote:
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Why should he? Are you trolling? I actually enjoy rivalry but keep it at a mature and reasonable level. I think it's safe to assume most would agree that what idra did was very childish and uncalled for. EDIT: Maybe I shouldn't jump to conclusions until I know what actually happened, but it felt like whatever idra said morrow seemed to be offended. You don't even know what he said and wtf is with everyone expecting and forcing politeness onto players. Being polite should be expected from players and not "a bonus". Do you see the Koreans bash each other in such a cheap way as some westerners do? No you dont. Go and look this up in the Liquipedia: Definition of GOSU ... " Gosu in Korean literally translates to "high hand" and it refers to a player with superior manner and skill." I have boldened the important detail ... lets not turn Starcraft 2 into another WWF ... Yes, there is a lot of trash talking in GSL and it's good for the show Not from the players ... or else you are watching a different GSL from me. You haven't been reading some of the interviews or pregame comments then. There have been a lot of "I don't think he is very good...", "I will crush him easily" type of remarks. They dont do it on camera and saying "I don't think he is very good" in a non-televised interview isnt trash talking. You "claim" in your post that it is good for the show .... but it cant be good for the show if it isnt on the show. actually they say "i dont think he is very good" and shit like that all the time. there have been many excerpts from when the groups were picked by the players that have been put in the show as pregame to hype it up. you have no idea what you are talking about I think as long as people just critize the skill - even in harsh words - and don't insult the player as person it is all fine.
yes i agree. players have a right to criticize their fellow competitors, while hopefully maintaining a level of decency and professionalism. I was simply stating that the players do make statements such as "I dont think he is very good" on camera, and it is put on the live stream, as someone blindly claimed otherwise.
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On March 03 2011 21:31 Jumbled wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2011 21:30 The KY wrote:
He said that?! D:<
Guess he just made because Jinro raped him when they played in the GSL. Yeah I guess if you run a small force of marine tank into your opponents tank line in a choke the other guy is bad.
...jinro hwaiting. He said that before they played.
Oh that's ok then.
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On March 03 2011 21:31 n00b3rt wrote:
Well yeah, players can decide for themselves if they are to be mannered, or idiotically miserable. But if they chose the latter, then expect to have fewer fans and more haters. IdrA doesn't seem to care, that's ok. Problem solved. Now what is the purpose of his fanboys explaining how his stupid behaviour makes him superiour or sth ? I can understand idra but his fans around here ...
Exactly my point, but other people in this thread seem to act like it's mandatory to be polite. I'm mot saying this behaviour makes IdrA a baller or whatnot.
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So I wasn't watching...what all this about IdrA?
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has the MorroW game been played already?
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On March 03 2011 21:34 The KY wrote:
So I wasn't watching...what all this about IdrA?
No one here even knows. He said/gestured something off camera when TLO called morrow one of the best players in the world and TLO laughed it off with "shut up idra" and they moved on. It was funny.
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Maybe Idra yelled out something like "go back to terran!"
No Idea really though
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Please stop bullshitting about political correctness. It was hilarious. And even if Idra was actually being disrespectful and yelled something, which I doubt, then TLO shut him down perfectly. On stage. Be satisfied.
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On March 03 2011 21:34 The KY wrote:
So I wasn't watching...what all this about IdrA?
Morrow lost. So in the loser interview, TLO was interviewing Morrow saying " Although you lose here, you are still one of the very top players in the world"
At that point, TLO started bursting into laughter and said " shut up idra".
So people are assuming that IdrA said something/interrupted when TLO said Morrow is a top player.
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