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dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
February 11 2011 11:12 GMT
#241
if race picking is allowed, then all players should just register themselves as race pickers. no loss whatsoever. that is just lame.

and what happens when a race picker meet a race picker.

( guessing that they need to choose beforehand)
RmpL
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany263 Posts
February 11 2011 11:12 GMT
#242
On February 11 2011 20:11 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2011 20:10 vyyye wrote:
On February 11 2011 20:09 sleepingdog wrote:
On February 11 2011 20:07 LoCaD wrote:
picked T so players can choose Race for each Match? I tought TLO would stay with random a well what it takes to win.


Nothing against TLO, but I HATE it when race picking is allowed. There should only be the option to play all terran/toss/zerg or random the whole tournament long.

Uh, care to elaborate?

It's pretty lame if a random player on like Steppes can counterpick T and when the opponent picks scrap they can just select Z and so on.


So what ? Thats the bonus of playing random ..
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-11 11:14:20
February 11 2011 11:13 GMT
#243
On February 11 2011 20:11 oursblanc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2011 20:10 IndridCold wrote:
On February 11 2011 20:09 sleepingdog wrote:
On February 11 2011 20:07 LoCaD wrote:
picked T so players can choose Race for each Match? I tought TLO would stay with random a well what it takes to win.

Nothing against TLO, but I HATE it when race picking is allowed. There should only be the option to play all terran/toss/zerg or random the whole tournament long.
totally agree, race picking is horrible. he should have to atleast pick a race or random for a single bo3. hes just picking for maps

That's playing the game. I can't see any logic behind it not being allowed.


He doesn't pick based on maps. He always picks TvT because he likes TvT. Rest he plays random. So he's not abusing what so ever. People know beforehand that he does this and it doesn't require any more practice for them.

It's not like he abuses map imbalances.
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
February 11 2011 11:13 GMT
#244
On February 11 2011 20:12 RmpL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2011 20:11 Shikyo wrote:
On February 11 2011 20:10 vyyye wrote:
On February 11 2011 20:09 sleepingdog wrote:
On February 11 2011 20:07 LoCaD wrote:
picked T so players can choose Race for each Match? I tought TLO would stay with random a well what it takes to win.


Nothing against TLO, but I HATE it when race picking is allowed. There should only be the option to play all terran/toss/zerg or random the whole tournament long.

Uh, care to elaborate?

It's pretty lame if a random player on like Steppes can counterpick T and when the opponent picks scrap they can just select Z and so on.


So what ? Thats the bonus of playing random ..


Eh no, racepicking is not random.

Random means you have to learn all 9 different matchup.

Race picker need to learn as few as 3 matchup so they dont need to have additional advantages.
oursblanc
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1450 Posts
February 11 2011 11:14 GMT
#245
On February 11 2011 20:11 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2011 20:10 vyyye wrote:
On February 11 2011 20:09 sleepingdog wrote:
On February 11 2011 20:07 LoCaD wrote:
picked T so players can choose Race for each Match? I tought TLO would stay with random a well what it takes to win.


Nothing against TLO, but I HATE it when race picking is allowed. There should only be the option to play all terran/toss/zerg or random the whole tournament long.

Uh, care to elaborate?

It's pretty lame if a random player on like Steppes can counterpick T and when the opponent picks scrap they can just select Z and so on.

It's lame to play the game? It has three races, most people stick to one because it is easier, not to be noble.
An oasis of horror in a desert of boredom!
sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-11 11:15:26
February 11 2011 11:14 GMT
#246
On February 11 2011 20:12 RmpL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2011 20:11 Shikyo wrote:
On February 11 2011 20:10 vyyye wrote:
On February 11 2011 20:09 sleepingdog wrote:
On February 11 2011 20:07 LoCaD wrote:
picked T so players can choose Race for each Match? I tought TLO would stay with random a well what it takes to win.


Nothing against TLO, but I HATE it when race picking is allowed. There should only be the option to play all terran/toss/zerg or random the whole tournament long.

Uh, care to elaborate?

It's pretty lame if a random player on like Steppes can counterpick T and when the opponent picks scrap they can just select Z and so on.


So what ? Thats the bonus of playing random ..


Not. The bonus of playing random is...playing random. When I lose a game I choose the map that profits me the most. Against zerg I'd have no problem with lost temple, but knowing that my opponent "might" counter-pick terran, I'd never go with lost temple. Against terran I love shakuras, but who knows, maybe my opponent will pick zerg there.
And so on.

I just don't like it.

On February 11 2011 20:13 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2011 20:11 oursblanc wrote:
On February 11 2011 20:10 IndridCold wrote:
On February 11 2011 20:09 sleepingdog wrote:
On February 11 2011 20:07 LoCaD wrote:
picked T so players can choose Race for each Match? I tought TLO would stay with random a well what it takes to win.

Nothing against TLO, but I HATE it when race picking is allowed. There should only be the option to play all terran/toss/zerg or random the whole tournament long.
totally agree, race picking is horrible. he should have to atleast pick a race or random for a single bo3. hes just picking for maps

That's playing the game. I can't see any logic behind it not being allowed.


He doesn't pick based on maps. He always picks TvT because he likes TvT. Rest he plays random. So he's not abusing what so ever. People know beforehand that he does this and it doesn't require any more practice for them.

It's not like he abuses map imbalances.


Lol that's not the point. The point is that it "could" be done, not that anyone actually does it.
"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
vdale
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1173 Posts
February 11 2011 11:14 GMT
#247
On February 11 2011 20:10 IndridCold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2011 20:09 sleepingdog wrote:
On February 11 2011 20:07 LoCaD wrote:
picked T so players can choose Race for each Match? I tought TLO would stay with random a well what it takes to win.


Nothing against TLO, but I HATE it when race picking is allowed. There should only be the option to play all terran/toss/zerg or random the whole tournament long.
totally agree, race picking is horrible. he should have to atleast pick a race or random for a single bo3. hes just picking for maps

Normally he picks terran against terran and random against protoss and zerg. Where did he pick his race just for the map?
Saiwa
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany789 Posts
February 11 2011 11:14 GMT
#248
On February 11 2011 20:13 dtz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2011 20:12 RmpL wrote:
On February 11 2011 20:11 Shikyo wrote:
On February 11 2011 20:10 vyyye wrote:
On February 11 2011 20:09 sleepingdog wrote:
On February 11 2011 20:07 LoCaD wrote:
picked T so players can choose Race for each Match? I tought TLO would stay with random a well what it takes to win.


Nothing against TLO, but I HATE it when race picking is allowed. There should only be the option to play all terran/toss/zerg or random the whole tournament long.

Uh, care to elaborate?

It's pretty lame if a random player on like Steppes can counterpick T and when the opponent picks scrap they can just select Z and so on.


So what ? Thats the bonus of playing random ..


Eh no, racepicking is not random.

Random means you have to learn all 9 different matchup.

Race picker need to learn as few as 3 matchup so they dont need to have additional advantages.



Deal with it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM_P7eLbY48&feature=player_detailpage#t=359s YOU ARE NOT GOING TO DO THIS TO ME CLIDE ! Artosis
eloist
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1017 Posts
February 11 2011 11:15 GMT
#249
On February 11 2011 20:11 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2011 20:10 vyyye wrote:
On February 11 2011 20:09 sleepingdog wrote:
On February 11 2011 20:07 LoCaD wrote:
picked T so players can choose Race for each Match? I tought TLO would stay with random a well what it takes to win.


Nothing against TLO, but I HATE it when race picking is allowed. There should only be the option to play all terran/toss/zerg or random the whole tournament long.

Uh, care to elaborate?

It's pretty lame if a random player on like Steppes can counterpick T and when the opponent picks scrap they can just select Z and so on.

I don't really see why that would be much different from deciding to build tanks and dropships as terran if the map happens to be lost temple.
DarkRise
Profile Joined November 2010
1644 Posts
February 11 2011 11:16 GMT
#250
so is there gonna be a new stream??
plz tell me there will ;d
Copenap
Profile Joined October 2010
723 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-11 11:18:15
February 11 2011 11:16 GMT
#251
On February 11 2011 20:11 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2011 20:10 vyyye wrote:
On February 11 2011 20:09 sleepingdog wrote:
On February 11 2011 20:07 LoCaD wrote:
picked T so players can choose Race for each Match? I tought TLO would stay with random a well what it takes to win.


Nothing against TLO, but I HATE it when race picking is allowed. There should only be the option to play all terran/toss/zerg or random the whole tournament long.

Uh, care to elaborate?

It's pretty lame if a random player on like Steppes can counterpick T and when the opponent picks scrap they can just select Z and so on.


Why is that lame? That's the benefit of being able to play all 3 races at a top level imo.

That of course only accounts for tournaments where the opponent can't prepare for a specific mattchup anyway.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
February 11 2011 11:16 GMT
#252
On February 11 2011 20:14 sleepingdog wrote:


Lol that's not the point. The point is that it "could" be done, not that anyone actually does it.


Oh true it could be done. That would be rather disgusting but it's not being done. So it's pointless having pages of drivel just because it COULD be done. I think another topic would be better for that. This is a live report thread.
CooDu
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia899 Posts
February 11 2011 11:17 GMT
#253
HUK <3
Just a simple guy, going wherever this journey takes me.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 11 2011 11:17 GMT
#254
On February 11 2011 20:15 eloist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2011 20:11 Shikyo wrote:
On February 11 2011 20:10 vyyye wrote:
On February 11 2011 20:09 sleepingdog wrote:
On February 11 2011 20:07 LoCaD wrote:
picked T so players can choose Race for each Match? I tought TLO would stay with random a well what it takes to win.


Nothing against TLO, but I HATE it when race picking is allowed. There should only be the option to play all terran/toss/zerg or random the whole tournament long.

Uh, care to elaborate?

It's pretty lame if a random player on like Steppes can counterpick T and when the opponent picks scrap they can just select Z and so on.

I don't really see why that would be much different from deciding to build tanks and dropships as terran if the map happens to be lost temple.

That's fine, but yeah I would think it's pretty lame if a Protoss-player switches to T on LT for that.

No more games going on? =/
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
IndigoCZ
Profile Joined September 2010
Czech Republic52 Posts
February 11 2011 11:18 GMT
#255
On February 11 2011 20:12 RmpL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2011 20:11 Shikyo wrote:
It's pretty lame if a random player on like Steppes can counterpick T and when the opponent picks scrap they can just select Z and so on.


So what ? Thats the bonus of playing random ..


Are they picking blind?

Anyways, I feel that it is pretty fair. If you put more effort into the game, you should be awarded.
sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-11 11:19:53
February 11 2011 11:18 GMT
#256
On February 11 2011 20:16 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2011 20:14 sleepingdog wrote:


Lol that's not the point. The point is that it "could" be done, not that anyone actually does it.


Oh true it could be done. That would be rather disgusting but it's not being done. So it's pointless having pages of drivel just because it COULD be done. I think another topic would be better for that. This is a live report thread.


Well, it's specificly about this tournament allowing it - because GSL for example does NOT allow race-picking afaik.
So my first post regarding this topic wasn't about race-picking in general, just about me being surprised that it's even allowed.

Anyways: what's wrong with GLHF, they just randomly decided to not stream matches while so many are being played right now?

EDIT: as I say it they are back with HuK and make me look like a fool
"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
LoCaD
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1634 Posts
February 11 2011 11:18 GMT
#257
TB getting READY
I give up, I just don't know what to write here.
BobbYt3hBobbY
Profile Joined December 2008
256 Posts
February 11 2011 11:18 GMT
#258
On February 11 2011 20:17 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2011 20:15 eloist wrote:
On February 11 2011 20:11 Shikyo wrote:
On February 11 2011 20:10 vyyye wrote:
On February 11 2011 20:09 sleepingdog wrote:
On February 11 2011 20:07 LoCaD wrote:
picked T so players can choose Race for each Match? I tought TLO would stay with random a well what it takes to win.


Nothing against TLO, but I HATE it when race picking is allowed. There should only be the option to play all terran/toss/zerg or random the whole tournament long.

Uh, care to elaborate?

It's pretty lame if a random player on like Steppes can counterpick T and when the opponent picks scrap they can just select Z and so on.

I don't really see why that would be much different from deciding to build tanks and dropships as terran if the map happens to be lost temple.

That's fine, but yeah I would think it's pretty lame if a Protoss-player switches to T on LT for that.

No more games going on? =/


http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Khaldor
RmpL
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany263 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-11 11:19:19
February 11 2011 11:18 GMT
#259
On February 11 2011 20:14 sleepingdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2011 20:12 RmpL wrote:
On February 11 2011 20:11 Shikyo wrote:
On February 11 2011 20:10 vyyye wrote:
On February 11 2011 20:09 sleepingdog wrote:
On February 11 2011 20:07 LoCaD wrote:
picked T so players can choose Race for each Match? I tought TLO would stay with random a well what it takes to win.


Nothing against TLO, but I HATE it when race picking is allowed. There should only be the option to play all terran/toss/zerg or random the whole tournament long.

Uh, care to elaborate?

It's pretty lame if a random player on like Steppes can counterpick T and when the opponent picks scrap they can just select Z and so on.


So what ? Thats the bonus of playing random ..


Not. The bonus of playing random is...playing random. When I lose a game I choose the map that profits me the most. Against zerg I'd have no problem with lost temple, but knowing that my opponent "might" counter-pick terran, I'd never go with lost temple. Against terran I love shakuras, but who knows, maybe my opponent will pick zerg there.
And so on.

I just don't like it.

Show nested quote +
On February 11 2011 20:13 Numy wrote:
On February 11 2011 20:11 oursblanc wrote:
On February 11 2011 20:10 IndridCold wrote:
On February 11 2011 20:09 sleepingdog wrote:
On February 11 2011 20:07 LoCaD wrote:
picked T so players can choose Race for each Match? I tought TLO would stay with random a well what it takes to win.

Nothing against TLO, but I HATE it when race picking is allowed. There should only be the option to play all terran/toss/zerg or random the whole tournament long.
totally agree, race picking is horrible. he should have to atleast pick a race or random for a single bo3. hes just picking for maps

That's playing the game. I can't see any logic behind it not being allowed.


He doesn't pick based on maps. He always picks TvT because he likes TvT. Rest he plays random. So he's not abusing what so ever. People know beforehand that he does this and it doesn't require any more practice for them.

It's not like he abuses map imbalances.


Lol that's not the point. The point is that it "could" be done, not that anyone actually does it.


And that is EXACTLY what is the good side of beeing random. Your opponent just cant prepare, because you can pick the favoured race whenever you need to. Its not that its easy to be good at every race on top level .. Why shouldn't you take this advantage in a tourney .. ?
oursblanc
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1450 Posts
February 11 2011 11:19 GMT
#260
Here comes HuK, yay.
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