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shaunnn
Profile Joined October 2010
Ireland1230 Posts
November 16 2010 15:14 GMT
#5501
On November 17 2010 00:09 -Archangel- wrote:
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On November 17 2010 00:08 Corrik wrote:
Does Jinro and Haypro play each other in the first round???

Since that is probably the only way one of them gets to Ro32 I hope so :D

rofl:D, jinro definitely has a chance though
The naniwa - Unit of protoss skill, defined as the number of gates you build off of one base
Huckleuro
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom294 Posts
November 16 2010 15:14 GMT
#5502
Today:

Zerg through, 15.
Terran through, 12.
Protoss through, 5.

Zerg out, 3.
Terran out, 4.
Protoss out, 5.

Numbers dont always speak for themselves, but what with recent results in tournaments i think theres a slight race issue.
Mise
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland580 Posts
November 16 2010 15:17 GMT
#5503
On November 17 2010 00:14 Huckleuro wrote:
Today:

Zerg through, 15.
Terran through, 12.
Protoss through, 5.

Zerg out, 3.
Terran out, 4.
Protoss out, 5.

Numbers dont always speak for themselves, but what with recent results in tournaments i think theres a slight race issue.
Wouldn't it be around 600-700 players out today?
notwelldone
Profile Joined June 2010
92 Posts
November 16 2010 15:19 GMT
#5504
HuK tried a mothership rush, didn't he?
Losing is Fun
okuraku
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States210 Posts
November 16 2010 15:20 GMT
#5505
didn't read all the posts, but why isn't Kiwikaki or Artosis mentioned in the first post? I'm assuming he didn't qualify but it'd be nice to have that clear on the page or the "centralized database"
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daxile
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada829 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-16 15:21:11
November 16 2010 15:20 GMT
#5506
I'm so glad ret managed to qualify but at the same time i'm kind of sad for SeleCT and HuK

On November 17 2010 00:20 okuraku wrote:
didn't read all the posts, but why isn't Kiwikaki or Artosis mentioned in the first post? I'm assuming he didn't qualify but it'd be nice to have that clear on the page or the "centralized database"

There's a day1 thread somewhere, check that. However I know for sure that Kiwi and Artosis both failed to qualify.
to live is to suffer
Slaptoast
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada134 Posts
November 16 2010 15:20 GMT
#5507
On November 17 2010 00:14 Huckleuro wrote:
Today:

Zerg through, 15.
Terran through, 12.
Protoss through, 5.

Zerg out, 3.
Terran out, 4.
Protoss out, 5.

Numbers dont always speak for themselves, but what with recent results in tournaments i think theres a slight race issue.


The sample size is just the well known names. I think you are too quck to come to conclusions.
Flash! Aaaahhhhh!….He'll kill every one of us!
crazeman
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
664 Posts
November 16 2010 15:20 GMT
#5508
On November 17 2010 00:11 Durp wrote:
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On November 17 2010 00:03 neoenigma wrote:
On November 16 2010 23:38 Gezz wrote:
I think it's safe to say tester really isn't on the same level he was before, he's definitely lost it and the game has changed a lot since he was considered the best toss in the world. I think he'll continue to do poorly next year and be one of the first players to get knocked out of S-Class.

It's surprisingly easy to NOT qualify for the GSL. Seeing as he does have S-class, we'll be seeing more of him eventually and THEN we can judge him. Unless you saw his qualifier matches, I don't think you safely say he played poorly at all...


Amen. Nada, Inca, Tester, Ensnare, TOP, all gone. Clearly qualifying isn't that easy.

What's depressing is that of 64 players to qualify, only 12 are protoss. Including two of the best Korean Protoss (Inca/Tester) and two of the best foreign protosses (HuK and Kiwikaki) don't qualify.

I hate balance arguments, and I've often complained that the talent pool for Protoss is lower- but at this point, I'm not sure anymore. It's not surprising to me that Roaches get a buff, and zerg dominates the next qualifiers (27 zergs qualify, compared to 23 terran and 12 protoss).

Sadly, the imba arguments are starting to get some weight behind them imo.


I hate imba complaints but I wish there was more protoss players I'm a little sick of watching TvZ/mirror matches.

scrapstation is such a zerg favored map, I wouldn't be shocked if it added a few zerg players to the player pool.
HydroXy
Profile Joined May 2010
United States513 Posts
November 16 2010 15:21 GMT
#5509
Poor HuK and SeleCT Poor Cella, too.
Glad to see Ret qualified.
Also, Tester doesn't qualify for RO64 again? What the hell is going on with him?
McMonty
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada379 Posts
November 16 2010 15:21 GMT
#5510
No Protoss= I may not watch as much GSL this season
FLuE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1012 Posts
November 16 2010 15:22 GMT
#5511

Yea, and that only makes your argument weaker, since Zerg was the least played but had the highest win %.


First off, I wasn't arguing anything in terms of race, just that this is a poor statistic to use to prove anything because we don't know anything about match-ups, or anything about the players that were there. So why you are even saying "ZERG" in response to what I said I do not know. Stop trying to make everything about balance when I'm actually avoiding that topic and just stating why this is a poor use of statistical data to prove anything based on the information we know. So don't call me out on something I never said nor was talking about.

If this was the 1500 best players, organized in a way that attempted to distribute races evenly throughout the brackets based on race we'd have some really good data.

It isn't, it is 1500 random people, the skill level at this thing is all over the place. We don't know if 200 people signed up to play that were bronze level toss players. We don't know if of the middle 150 players that signed up and eliminated some people they mostly played zerg. It is a small, poor sample size based on what we are talking about. All we really see/hear about are roughly 100 names worth of players we know and care about. We know nothing about the other 1400 players. Being that pro players tend to roll through their qualifiers like they are nothing often not even losing a match has me believing that there are some pretty bad players at these things just going to have some fun and give it a shot. I'm not about to make assertions of race balance because some hack visiting Korea decides to play some SC2.
Welmu
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Finland3295 Posts
November 16 2010 15:22 GMT
#5512
I thought Tasteless will give a shot at qualifying, but can't see him in eliminated players list?
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daxile
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada829 Posts
November 16 2010 15:23 GMT
#5513
What about the protosses that did qualify? Maybe they're something to look to. I think everyone is overrating the "top protoss players" from what they've seen but we had no idea about foxer before GSL2 and he made it to the finals. Give it a chance, maybe there will be at least one or two tosses that really light it up this time. Also Tester might be a tad overrated if he didn't qualify twice, maybe he's not the toss everyone thuoght he was. Sure he's good but how good really, I think NEXGenius is better.
to live is to suffer
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
November 16 2010 15:23 GMT
#5514
Motbob: you do so much tl.net it's sick. Great thread

Idra: Good job qualifying. I almost went to bed when Gom reported you lost, but I stayed up until it I learned it was an error. Woke up to the win.

Huk: Keep your head up. You're the only one who practices as hard as I think a progamer should (sans Idra).

Haypro: You were due.

Jinro: You're getting to be somebody. I remember flaming your passive PVT, now you're a pro! Wow.
brentsen
Profile Joined November 2010
1252 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-16 15:26:26
November 16 2010 15:25 GMT
#5515
Too bad there aren't more Protoss, I don't like ZvZ which we will be seeing a lot this GSL.

At least Boxer and Vealsteak (lol) made it. As for Team Liquid 3 players qualified is a big success I would say.
teko
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada1197 Posts
November 16 2010 15:26 GMT
#5516
SeleCT:

[image loading]

Too bad he didn't qualify.

This girl is in oGs??:

[image loading]

http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=photo_read&keyno=124137&db=photo&page=1&edit_num=3017
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
November 16 2010 15:26 GMT
#5517
Tester and HuK... =\

The good news is guys, in each of the first 2 GSLs, the least represented race ended up winning. For Aiur!
We found Dove in a soapless place.
Boundless
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada588 Posts
November 16 2010 15:27 GMT
#5518
Wow, Tester lost again.... I'm really surprised, since a lot of the players still hold him as one of the best Protoss players in the country.

Also, let there be JulyZerg. Can't wait to see how he does.

Double also, who is the boss who qualified with Random? Respect!
"Sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace." - Romans 6:14
sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
November 16 2010 15:28 GMT
#5519
On November 16 2010 23:03 Psyclon wrote:
I find myself strangely saddened by SeleCT's failure to qualify. Usually i don't like him (cause he plays terran, duh), but today i was rooting for him as much as i did for IdrA and the other popular zerg players.


I can not understand how select could fail to qualify...his performance lately was so incredibly solid, maybe not "the" best of the best, but when it comes down to qualifying where nerves play a big part I would've surely guessed his strong, solid standard-play would get him through. Especially when thinking about how many weak terrans we saw last season, select is easily better than about 50% of them.
"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
Copenap
Profile Joined October 2010
723 Posts
November 16 2010 15:31 GMT
#5520
On November 16 2010 21:55 Corrupted wrote:
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On November 16 2010 21:52 Endorsed wrote:
On November 16 2010 21:50 Corrupted wrote:
On November 16 2010 21:48 Tommylew wrote:
On November 16 2010 21:46 The KY wrote:
On November 16 2010 21:44 Raidern wrote:
grats team liquid
3/4 is huuuuge! thats really awesome

its a shame huk didn't make it, but he can do it next time hopefully


I don't even think there are any more GSL opens..?

Seems a little bit like HuK's on a fall from grace.


Actually I think the GSLs that will be next year just means he wont be seeded, so hell either have to face seeded players to qualify as well as having to play any new comers who could be ex bw pros etc


You are wrong. You should probably not comment if you have no idea what you are talking about. The outline for next years tournaments has been laid out and the GSL will no longer be an open tournament.


There wil be an open A tournament and a S-class tournament. So yeah he can still qualify for the A tournament. Then the top A of fight the bottom S for S-class. something like that.




No, it isn't an open A tournament. To qualify for a chance to play in the A tournament you have to be at the top of the ladder (and not in one of the other designations already). So it is clearly very different than the open GSL that was played this year.


Since the Korean Ladder is "open", I don't see any difference in qualifying via the ladder compared to qualifying through these Season 1 to 3 qualifiers, but that's just nitpicking.

If you don't agree with that you should just give a more detailed answer that actually helps and therefore contribute something to the discussion instead of being rude with your unnecessary comment.
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