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zwietracht
Profile Joined October 2010
Liechtenstein24 Posts
November 16 2010 14:32 GMT
#5461
Sad that Cella failed, he's so funny. I guess i'm for the Random Guy now, playing random in such a big tournament is just epic!
Otherwhise i hope IdrA improves his ZvZ and will own and of course the Protoss players show a nice performance, first so that we don't see that much TvT and ZvZ (my least favorite MUs) and that people don't argue so much about balance.
Ezze
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada934 Posts
November 16 2010 14:33 GMT
#5462
Are you kidding me? Tester failed again? I wasn't expecting HuK to qualify, so my hopes lied with him. I never thought he would miss it for a second season in a row wow

And as much as I hate terrans, SeleCT not making it saddens me too
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
November 16 2010 14:33 GMT
#5463
No tester again? Damn... Sucks that huk and select didn't make it either. Nice to see sen and ret make it though
Kici
Profile Joined July 2010
Poland57 Posts
November 16 2010 14:34 GMT
#5464
When Tastless play?
Boxer :*
bRuTaL!!
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland588 Posts
November 16 2010 14:35 GMT
#5465
Whwres Sjow?
Tasteless: "What was it Hans Solo was frozen in? Kryptonite?" Artosis: "Lol, no. Thats the stuff that hurts Batman."
FLuE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1012 Posts
November 16 2010 14:36 GMT
#5466
GSL 2 qualifier was before the patch.


Doesn't matter patch or no patch it was a zerg favored map. Just making the point that with all the QQ about the maps it has been in the map pool so it isn't like players aren't prepared for it or know that it is coming. How many times did Zerg catch close positions on Met? That is a tough one as well.

Only 23.9% of players participating in qualifiers players were Zerg, after qualifiers 42.2% of the players remaining were Zerg. You don't have to be an expert in statistics to see that this is well out of the margin of error.


This is true if we know how matchups went. Do we know how many toss players knocked out other toss players? Do we know if they try to evenly distribute races throughout the brackets? I don't know, I'm just asking. Once again, simple stats like that only tell the tale to some extent. It is also random brackets, so it can be pure luck that some better players had a tougher road and some weaker players had an easier road, and that can change those stats regardless of race. With only a 64 player pool we are taking these percents from you don't have to be a statistics expert to know that the sample size is actually quite small... If you were in a college stats class and you presented this argument to your teacher they'd poke so many holes in it you'd fail your assignment. On the contrary the stats released by blizzard the other day based on overall and diamond winning percentages is probably to the other extreme, to big of a sample and to much margin of error in that.

What I'd love to see is the winning percents of the top 20% of the MMR by region. That would probably be a more accurate way of seeing how top players are fairing against various races.
sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-16 14:38:21
November 16 2010 14:36 GMT
#5467
Although I'm sure 99% will be reading this as a balance-QQ...but Tester should really play Terran. His playstyle matches Terran better imo and in all the offracing games I saw of him his macro was frickin awsome. Tbh NEXGenius and MC are worse players but imo they have incorporated the toss-style better....totally subjective of course.

Btw does anybody know who ST.BoogieBoy is? Just a high ranked player who will crumble to the pressure inside the booth or somebody known within the scene?
"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
desRow
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2654 Posts
November 16 2010 14:37 GMT
#5468
another season of zvt.... such a sad panda right now
http://twitch.tv/desrowfighting http://twitter.com/desrowfighting http://facebook.com/desrowfighting
Gezz
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom81 Posts
November 16 2010 14:38 GMT
#5469
I think it's safe to say tester really isn't on the same level he was before, he's definitely lost it and the game has changed a lot since he was considered the best toss in the world. I think he'll continue to do poorly next year and be one of the first players to get knocked out of S-Class.
Ezze
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada934 Posts
November 16 2010 14:38 GMT
#5470
Who is the Aya that HuK lost to? Please don't tell me it's this 1700pt 50% http://sc2ranks.com/kr/210411/aYa
Wayem
Profile Joined May 2010
France455 Posts
November 16 2010 14:39 GMT
#5471
On November 16 2010 23:38 Gezz wrote:
I think it's safe to say tester really isn't on the same level he was before, he's definitely lost it and the game has changed a lot since he was considered the best toss in the world. I think he'll continue to do poorly next year and be one of the first players to get knocked out of S-Class.


Who are you to judge him like this ?

His play at the GOMtv stuff for clans was really good.
"who needs micro when you can have more stuff ?" -day9
Denizen[9]
Profile Joined July 2010
United States649 Posts
November 16 2010 14:39 GMT
#5472
On November 16 2010 23:38 Ezze wrote:
Who is the Aya that HuK lost to? Please don't tell me it's this 1700pt 50% http://sc2ranks.com/kr/210411/aYa


he made Ro64 last season
Jaedong, Baby | Idra, Marineking, Tester, Nada
shouri
Profile Joined May 2010
90 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-16 14:41:31
November 16 2010 14:40 GMT
#5473
On November 16 2010 23:38 Gezz wrote:
I think it's safe to say tester really isn't on the same level he was before, he's definitely lost it and the game has changed a lot since he was considered the best toss in the world. I think he'll continue to do poorly next year and be one of the first players to get knocked out of S-Class.


Have you not watched him play in clan matches//gsl specials?

He still plays really solid. I would not be surprised if it was some sort of crazy all in or cheese keeping him out of the GSL.


edit: was stated above me ><
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
November 16 2010 14:41 GMT
#5474
JulyZerg qualified, fuck yeah! Although, with the ID of VealSteak... Still, I'll be looking forward to his performance.
parkLife
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada125 Posts
November 16 2010 14:41 GMT
#5475
On November 16 2010 23:38 Ezze wrote:
Who is the Aya that HuK lost to? Please don't tell me it's this 1700pt 50% http://sc2ranks.com/kr/210411/aYa


Aya that advanced to GSL3 is a Terran player, and the one you posted is a Protoss player. So, I highly doubt it's the same guy.
In SC1, ZvZ was Rock-Paper-Scissors... unless JaeDong was playing, then it was Rock-Paper-Scissors-JD, and JD beats all of them.
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
November 16 2010 14:43 GMT
#5476
On November 16 2010 23:38 Ezze wrote:
Who is the Aya that HuK lost to? Please don't tell me it's this 1700pt 50% http://sc2ranks.com/kr/210411/aYa

http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/1638557/1/OdinMvP/
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LambtrOn
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States671 Posts
November 16 2010 14:44 GMT
#5477
Gogo Lyn! WC3 pros fighting!
Shockk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany2269 Posts
November 16 2010 14:44 GMT
#5478
On November 16 2010 23:32 schiznak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 23:17 Saechiis wrote:
On November 16 2010 23:00 Dagobert wrote:
Saechiis... T_T Stat 101 please.

If we take these statistics into account, Zerg is doing way better than expected assuming a balanced game on a balanced map and players of even skill level or any N -> positive infinity of players with random levels of skill.

fixed.


You balance games around the idea that anyone has an equal chance of winning. How skillfull players are in comparison can never be determined objectively.

Race distribution:
Terran : 39.5%
Protoss : 33%
Zerg : 23.9%
Random : 3.6%

Qualified:
Terran: 37.5 %
Protoss: 18.75 %
Zerg: 42.2 %
Random: 1.55 %

Only 23.9% of players participating in qualifiers players were Zerg, after qualifiers 42.2% of the players remaining were Zerg. You don't have to be an expert in statistics to see that this is well out of the margin of error.


You don't have to be an expert in statistics to see that the sample size is so small that it is well within the margin of error.


We're talking about ~1500 players that try to qualify. I'd say that's a large enough sample to have at least some statistical relevance.
Gezz
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom81 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-16 14:49:13
November 16 2010 14:48 GMT
#5479
On November 16 2010 23:40 shouri wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 23:38 Gezz wrote:
I think it's safe to say tester really isn't on the same level he was before, he's definitely lost it and the game has changed a lot since he was considered the best toss in the world. I think he'll continue to do poorly next year and be one of the first players to get knocked out of S-Class.


Have you not watched him play in clan matches//gsl specials?

He still plays really solid. I would not be surprised if it was some sort of crazy all in or cheese keeping him out of the GSL.


edit: was stated above me ><

I remember seeing a game in I think the ro16 in gsl1 where he handled a marine scv all in bunker rush absolutely amazingly, I thought he was known for how well he handled cheese. I don't think being cheesed is an excuse to not qualify 2 gsl's in a row, all the other big names from gsl1 have made all 3. It's not like he's loosing to eventual semi-finalists either, PoltPrime fizzled out in ro64 afaik and i'm sure the unknown he lost to this time round won't go further than the Ro32.
Endorsed
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands1221 Posts
November 16 2010 14:51 GMT
#5480
On November 16 2010 23:48 Gezz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 23:40 shouri wrote:
On November 16 2010 23:38 Gezz wrote:
I think it's safe to say tester really isn't on the same level he was before, he's definitely lost it and the game has changed a lot since he was considered the best toss in the world. I think he'll continue to do poorly next year and be one of the first players to get knocked out of S-Class.


Have you not watched him play in clan matches//gsl specials?

He still plays really solid. I would not be surprised if it was some sort of crazy all in or cheese keeping him out of the GSL.


edit: was stated above me ><

I remember seeing a game in I think the ro16 in gsl1 where he handled a marine scv all in bunker rush absolutely amazingly, I thought he was known for how well he handled cheese. I don't think being cheesed is an excuse to not qualify 2 gsl's in a row, all the other big names from gsl1 have made all 3. It's not like he's loosing to eventual semi-finalists either, PoltPrime fizzled out in ro64 afaik and i'm sure the unknown he lost to this time round won't go further than the Ro32.


Isn't Tester also the guy that managed to fend off a double proxy gate with only 1 gate?

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