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On September 02 2010 23:14 Mikilatov wrote: TorcH went from being huge unknown to an absolute beacon of foreigner hope in like 1 week, haha. <3
TorcHofHopE
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On September 02 2010 23:24 esperanto wrote: Thanks djwheat and torch.
Hopefully they come to a good solution for everyone. Foreign esports community is still growing (and its growing fast) cause its community based and ppl offer there work non (or low) profit, because of that alot new ppl get hooked and then they consider paying for quality products. Only pay would kill this development.
Its like instead of milking the cash-cow GOM-TV is slaughtering it, what u get is beef. Problem is, not everyone can afford steak.
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On September 02 2010 23:03 oBlade wrote: [...] They have to charge us because the stream commercials will probably all be aimed at Koreans, like last time we watched GOM, and us watching those is sort of irrelevant. [...]
True, but if they have a seperat english-bases stream, couldnt they use multinational ads there? Things like airlines, beer, cars and stuff are part of world-wide business in most cases, right?
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Here's my doomsday scenario: *GOMTV will struggle in its first few seasons, suffering from a dwindling subscriber base and decreasing profit. *Trying to increase their popularity, GOMTV will not allow any other sc2 tournaments to take place. This action will end up giving opposite results, as the community will outrage at GOM's decision. *Still unable to cover their expenses, GOMTV will address Blizzard and demand actions. *In an attempt to increase GOMTV's popularity, Blizzard will declare all sc2 VODS and commentaries illegal. HD&Husky and Day9 will be removed from the air, along with any other sc2 stream or commentary. The only way to watch sc2 will be through GOMTV's paid services, and sc2 will lose a huge portion of its popularity.
I dont say that this will happen (hope its not), but with the way sc2 is going this days i wont be surprised..
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On September 02 2010 22:25 djWHEAT wrote: I woke up this morning with an email from TorcH. He has somehow managed to get a meeting with the GOMtv CEO in regards to the streaming responses. I quickly mailed back because it sounded like the meeting was this very early this morning but it's now been postponed until tomorrow.
I honestly have no idea if this is just a "we'll listen but that's about it" type of meeting, or if they are serious about finding a solution, but I'm going to unload a ton of contacts and suggestions to TorcH to see if they would be willing to go with anything.
Thanks to TorcH for looking out and hopefully something can come from it.
UPDATE: I've sent TorcH an email with a ton of suggestions and I've also mailed the founder of UStream to try to get something to happen here. I don't know if this is all for show or what... but it sounds like the massive amounts of criticism has them at least paying some attention.
first post from wheat was so disappointing (imo), but that... he has done so much but that truly shows how he cares about the community... nothing much to say except from thanks, you r da man!
torch <3
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On September 02 2010 23:47 GoDannY wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 23:03 oBlade wrote: [...] They have to charge us because the stream commercials will probably all be aimed at Koreans, like last time we watched GOM, and us watching those is sort of irrelevant. [...]
True, but if they have a seperat english-bases stream, couldnt they use multinational ads there? Things like airlines, beer, cars and stuff are part of world-wide business in most cases, right?
I think they were highly unprepared to deal with these sorts of issues, it's not easy to pick up sponsors right away. There was an obvious lack of planning on GOM's part.
The best way to get sponsors is to show them numbers from a stream. However, since they don't have the infrastructure to host a free stream they have a paid one. Now, they will have very low viewing numbers, and sponsorship will be tough to get. Although, in my opinion they have had a huge lack of effort on the foreign part anyways, so I doubt that they ever planned to really have a sustainable solution in that market.
That said, I'll be waking up at 6am to watch IdrA play opening day ~750kbps here for the stream, $2.00= nbd
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Not that I'm actually expecting anything to come from it a day before the opening of the tournament, but props to both djWheat and TorcH for putting in the effort!!! Just wanted to say thnx guys!!!
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On September 02 2010 23:51 cavalier3024 wrote: Here's my doomsday scenario: *GOMTV will struggle in its first few seasons, suffering from a dwindling subscriber base and decreasing profit. *Trying to increase their popularity, GOMTV will not allow any other sc2 tournaments to take place. This action will end up giving opposite results, as the community will outrage at GOM's decision. *Still unable to cover their expenses, GOMTV will address Blizzard and demand actions. *In an attempt to increase GOMTV's popularity, Blizzard will declare all sc2 VODS and commentaries illegal. HD&Husky and Day9 will be removed from the air, along with any other sc2 stream or commentary. The only way to watch sc2 will be through GOMTV's paid services, and sc2 will lose a huge portion of its popularity.
I dont say that this will happen (hope its not), but with the way sc2 is going this days i wont be surprised.. lol. They could do it im sure. but they would run into piles and piles of shit.
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On September 02 2010 23:51 cavalier3024 wrote: Here's my doomsday scenario: *GOMTV will struggle in its first few seasons, suffering from a dwindling subscriber base and decreasing profit. *Trying to increase their popularity, GOMTV will not allow any other sc2 tournaments to take place. This action will end up giving opposite results, as the community will outrage at GOM's decision. *Still unable to cover their expenses, GOMTV will address Blizzard and demand actions. *In an attempt to increase GOMTV's popularity, Blizzard will declare all sc2 VODS and commentaries illegal. HD&Husky and Day9 will be removed from the air, along with any other sc2 stream or commentary. The only way to watch sc2 will be through GOMTV's paid services, and sc2 will lose a huge portion of its popularity.
I dont say that this will happen (hope its not), but with the way sc2 is going this days i wont be surprised..
That would be the end of SCII as an e-sport. Blizz is really dumb but I don't see them being that dumb.
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On September 02 2010 23:47 GoDannY wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 23:03 oBlade wrote: [...] They have to charge us because the stream commercials will probably all be aimed at Koreans, like last time we watched GOM, and us watching those is sort of irrelevant. [...]
True, but if they have a seperat english-bases stream, couldnt they use multinational ads there? Things like airlines, beer, cars and stuff are part of world-wide business in most cases, right?
Because selling ads for an esports stream to refinance itself is a piece of cake ;-)
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I haven't posted on TL yet but I've been lurking for an extremely long time.
With this annoucement I wanted to share my thoughts:
I feel that it is very unfortunate that they have decided to charge for this. I felt it was great news for E-Sports when they first announced this tournament and that it could include forign competitors however deciding to charge for something when it's already not immensily popular outside of Korea can't really do anything but hurt it. 
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On September 02 2010 03:50 djWHEAT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 03:42 Kishkumen wrote: I love DJWheat's backtracking throughout this thread.
I'm more than happy to admit when I'm wrong or perhaps spoke too soon. So take it for what it's worth.
this is why djwheat is a a bawler
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ugh, way to piss off a sensitive community even more.
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On September 02 2010 23:51 cavalier3024 wrote: Here's my doomsday scenario: *GOMTV will struggle in its first few seasons, suffering from a dwindling subscriber base and decreasing profit. *Trying to increase their popularity, GOMTV will not allow any other sc2 tournaments to take place. This action will end up giving opposite results, as the community will outrage at GOM's decision. *Still unable to cover their expenses, GOMTV will address Blizzard and demand actions. *In an attempt to increase GOMTV's popularity, Blizzard will declare all sc2 VODS and commentaries illegal. HD&Husky and Day9 will be removed from the air, along with any other sc2 stream or commentary. The only way to watch sc2 will be through GOMTV's paid services, and sc2 will lose a huge portion of its popularity.
I dont say that this will happen (hope its not), but with the way sc2 is going this days i wont be surprised..
I'm pretty sure if GOMTV does poorly Blizzard will just renegotiate with other possible companies in Korea.
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Regardless of how this situation turns out, I'm amazed by the dedication people like DjWheat and Torch have to e-sports. Also, I greatly appreciate the knowledge and ideas they've been able to bring to the table in trying to prevent this tournament from turning into a disaster.
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Why cant GOMtv just but little charge per round. For example 3$ for RO64 games (vods and live stream) then 3$ for RO32 games. More games but less quality to less games but high quality when final rounds starts.
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@Too_MuchZerg - there are streams which make that method complicated.
They should however try to make money by streaming at a high rate of speed. NO LAG. And the highest quality they can afford. Then give an option along the lines of... 20 Dollars - an event 100 Dollars - a year 250 Dollars - lifetime
not saying those should be the exact prices, but if they're struggling for cash and they promise me a lifetime membership for 250 I'd jump on it.
Again none of this seems to be final yet. If they pull it together tho I'd gladly pay to watch the events.
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If I buy a VOD, I want to have bought the VOD, not rented it.
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On September 03 2010 00:44 NoobSkills wrote: @Too_MuchZerg - there are streams which make that method complicated.
They should however try to make money by streaming at a high rate of speed. NO LAG. And the highest quality they can afford. Then give an option along the lines of... 20 Dollars - an event 100 Dollars - a year 250 Dollars - lifetime
not saying those should be the exact prices, but if they're struggling for cash and they promise me a lifetime membership for 250 I'd jump on it.
Again none of this seems to be final yet. If they pull it together tho I'd gladly pay to watch the events.
If they are struggling for cash they shouldn't host a tournament with prizes of 170K monthly, bottom line. It is unacceptable for a company to blatantly try to rip us off (we ARE the heart of e-sports) and use an excuse like that as a reason for their greed.
If Gretech doesn't append this stupid decision they have become the #1 enemy to the growth of e-sports on top of already being the #1 enemy to BW.
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On September 02 2010 23:47 GoDannY wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 23:03 oBlade wrote: [...] They have to charge us because the stream commercials will probably all be aimed at Koreans, like last time we watched GOM, and us watching those is sort of irrelevant. [...]
True, but if they have a seperat english-bases stream, couldnt they use multinational ads there? Things like airlines, beer, cars and stuff are part of world-wide business in most cases, right?
Well, take a step back and look at it from 'our' point of view. I mean, ESL didn't even have English ads. Then again, ESL had a free stream, but I don't think getting International sponsors is as easy as people make it out to be.
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