On August 29 2010 05:36 AmiPolizeiFunk wrote: I'm pretty sure it will be Best of 7, starting at 2-0, regardless of the fact that the first series was 2-1.
Straight from MLG (right next to the video)
KiWiKaKi takes the win on Delta Quadrant with great use of Stalkers to take the series 2-0. He will be going on to face HuK in the Grand Finals in a continuation of their Upper Final match. HuK will keep his 2-1 lead as they play out a best-of-seven for the title.
On August 29 2010 05:32 Shikyo wrote: This old spice commercial is like the most genius thing ever
Speaking of Old Spice and Husky...
Lol.
That is soooo wrong
I was started to building respects for husky.... Respects lost :c
I'm sorry, but if you lose respect for someone who's badass enough not caring to make a fool out of himself to make his viewers laugh, then he's better off without having your respect in the first place.
The only reason that the finals is going to be an extended Bo7 series is because Kiwikaki and HuK have played each other before. That is also the reason that HuK has a 2-1 lead.
Had Socke beat Kiwikaki, the finals would be two Bo3's between Socke and HuK.
On August 29 2010 05:28 Gaius Baltar wrote: I think a handicapped final is not the ideal competition to end a tournament. Surely somebody who made it through the loser bracket already had to win more games than the winner bracket finalist, why not put the players on even footing in the grand final?
But I am curious, had Kiwi been knocked into the loser bracket by someone other than HuK, then made it to the finals against HuK, would he still have to win 4 games?
Kiwi would have to win 2 Bo3 then.
You don't put them on even footing because that's giving the LB person (Kiwi) a free pass for losing in the tournament, allowing him to actually lose a series yet win the tournament, yet if HuK were to lose one straight-up Bo7 (his only tournament loss) like that he actually would have been punished for losing once while Kiwi was not.
I see what you mean, but I think arguments for single bo7 final are worth looking at. Imagine if Kiwi went to the loser bracket after the first round and still made it to the finals. He would have had to have won around twice as many series to get to the final. This seems like punishment enough, and you could tip the HuK argument on its head and say he was 'rewarded' for not having lost by having to win only the minimum number of series to get to the final.
I only draw out this argument because I think an uphill final isn't as interesting. Had Flash needed to beat Jaedong in 2 bo3s to win the MSL final, while Jaedong only had to win 1, I probably wouldn't have been interested enough to wake up at 5am to watch it. Now I know that wasn't double elimination so the argument is pretty much moot, I'm just commenting on the hypothetical spectacle.
On August 29 2010 05:28 Gaius Baltar wrote: I think a handicapped final is not the ideal competition to end a tournament. Surely somebody who made it through the loser bracket already had to win more games than the winner bracket finalist, why not put the players on even footing in the grand final?
But I am curious, had Kiwi been knocked into the loser bracket by someone other than HuK, then made it to the finals against HuK, would he still have to win 4 games?
Kiwi would have to win 2 Bo3 then.
You don't put them on even footing because that's giving the LB person (Kiwi) a free pass for losing in the tournament, allowing him to actually lose a series yet win the tournament, yet if HuK were to lose one straight-up Bo7 (his only tournament loss) like that he actually would have been punished for losing once while Kiwi was not.
I see what you mean, but I think arguments for single bo7 final are worth looking at. Imagine if Kiwi went to the loser bracket after the first round and still made it to the finals. He would have had to have won around twice as many series to get to the final. This seems like punishment enough, and you could tip the HuK argument on its head and say he was 'rewarded' for not having lost by having to win only the minimum number of series to get to the final.
I only draw out this argument because I think an uphill final isn't as interesting. Had Flash needed to beat Jaedong in 2 bo3s to win the MSL final, while Jaedong only had to win 1, I probably wouldn't have been interested enough to wake up at 5am to watch it. Now I know that wasn't double elimination so the argument is pretty much moot, I'm just commenting on the hypothetical spectacle.
huk went through a harder bracket without dropping a game to get where he is, so no it isn't an argument worth looking at
Let's see if I can break it down to people who simply don't understand double elimination.
Picture every player having 2 lives. If you lose you lose a life. So if we have two people going into the finals that haven't met before, the winners bracket would still have 2 lives, where as the loser's bracket only 1 life.
They will play a best of 3, if the winners bracket wins, the loser's bracket has no lives and is now eliminated. However if the loser's bracket wins, there is still another life left for the winner's bracket and another BO3 series is played.
If the two have met previously, it becomes what is called an extended series. The best of 3 becomes (in this case) a best of 7 with the record transferred from the previous series.
On August 29 2010 05:52 phant wrote: Let's see if I can break it down to people who simply don't understand double elimination.
Picture every player having 2 lives. If you lose you lose a life. So if we have two people going into the finals that haven't met before, the winners bracket would still have 2 lives, where as the loser's bracket only 1 life.
They will play a best of 3, if the winners bracket wins, the loser's bracket has no lives and is now eliminated. However if the loser's bracket wins, there is still another life left for the winner's bracket and another BO3 series is played.
If the two have met previously, it becomes what is called an extended series. The best of 3 becomes (in this case) a best of 7 with the record transferred from the previous series.
Was that so hard?
While I like MLG's tournament structure, I find it funny that your analogy falls apart when trying to explain the part that people are struggling with.
Well. No toss make it out of group stages at IEM, but yet the final 4 in MLG are all toss.
Nice.
Anyway, I'm sick of playing PvP, but watching it is just comical. Lol @ the colossus battles and the warp in battles. Who ever has a closer pylon will come out on top.
On August 29 2010 05:28 Gaius Baltar wrote: I think a handicapped final is not the ideal competition to end a tournament. Surely somebody who made it through the loser bracket already had to win more games than the winner bracket finalist, why not put the players on even footing in the grand final?
But I am curious, had Kiwi been knocked into the loser bracket by someone other than HuK, then made it to the finals against HuK, would he still have to win 4 games?
Kiwi would have to win 2 Bo3 then.
You don't put them on even footing because that's giving the LB person (Kiwi) a free pass for losing in the tournament, allowing him to actually lose a series yet win the tournament, yet if HuK were to lose one straight-up Bo7 (his only tournament loss) like that he actually would have been punished for losing once while Kiwi was not.
I see what you mean, but I think arguments for single bo7 final are worth looking at. .
I think the important thing to note is that it is a TOURNAMENT. It is not a bo7 show match. The better tournament player is being rewarded. The finals is just the last branch of the tournament, and is the most exciting.
On August 29 2010 05:54 Boonesbane wrote: Anyone else watching the halo stream while we wait for the grand finals? It's impressive how tactical it gets.
its an FPS. so obviously with a lack of true strategic depth, play revolves around tactics.
On August 29 2010 05:36 AmiPolizeiFunk wrote: I'm pretty sure it will be Best of 7, starting at 2-0, regardless of the fact that the first series was 2-1.
Straight from MLG (right next to the video)
KiWiKaKi takes the win on Delta Quadrant with great use of Stalkers to take the series 2-0. He will be going on to face HuK in the Grand Finals in a continuation of their Upper Final match. HuK will keep his 2-1 lead as they play out a best-of-seven for the title.
I'm not sure how this is confusing so many people
It's just a bit strange because there doesn't seem to be a contingency for when the finalists haven't faced each other yet.
Yes... there is. If they haven't faced each other, they do 2 Bo3s, like normal. Guys, this is in the rules when you sign up and it's on the website as well as being explained tons in this thread.
The loser bracket winner would still get a 2nd bo3 if he lost the first bo3 in the grand finals? It seems like the winners bracket finalist should go into the grand finals with an advantage.
EPT
