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zTz
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States476 Posts
August 28 2010 20:49 GMT
#2081
On August 29 2010 05:39 guluru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2010 05:36 AmiPolizeiFunk wrote:
I'm pretty sure it will be Best of 7, starting at 2-0, regardless of the fact that the first series was 2-1.


Straight from MLG (right next to the video)

KiWiKaKi takes the win on Delta Quadrant with great use of Stalkers to take the series 2-0. He will be going on to face HuK in the Grand Finals in a continuation of their Upper Final match. HuK will keep his 2-1 lead as they play out a best-of-seven for the title.

I'm not sure how this is confusing so many people


where's the rants n flames section?
Tuwy
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands113 Posts
August 28 2010 20:49 GMT
#2082
On August 29 2010 05:38 DarkspearTribe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2010 05:36 Adonisto wrote:
On August 29 2010 05:32 Shikyo wrote:
This old spice commercial is like the most genius thing ever

Speaking of Old Spice and Husky...



Lol.

That is soooo wrong

I was started to building respects for husky.... Respects lost :c

I'm sorry, but if you lose respect for someone who's badass enough not caring to make a fool out of himself to make his viewers laugh, then he's better off without having your respect in the first place.
Jophess
Profile Joined August 2010
United States95 Posts
August 28 2010 20:50 GMT
#2083
The only reason that the finals is going to be an extended Bo7 series is because Kiwikaki and HuK have played each other before. That is also the reason that HuK has a 2-1 lead.

Had Socke beat Kiwikaki, the finals would be two Bo3's between Socke and HuK.
rOMi
Profile Joined April 2010
Korea (South)120 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 20:56:13
August 28 2010 20:50 GMT
#2084
On August 29 2010 05:45 dcemuser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2010 05:44 GenoZStriker wrote:
^ winner bracket finalist would then have a 2:0 if they havent faced each other.


No he wouldn't. It would be 2 Bo3s back to back.


Having a best out of 7 with a 2:0 lead

and

having 2 Bo3s back to back (from the loser's bracket's perspective)

is essentially the same thing.

EDIT: nevermind LOL... it's waaaay too late for me here
Gaius Baltar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States449 Posts
August 28 2010 20:51 GMT
#2085
On August 29 2010 05:30 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2010 05:28 Gaius Baltar wrote:
I think a handicapped final is not the ideal competition to end a tournament. Surely somebody who made it through the loser bracket already had to win more games than the winner bracket finalist, why not put the players on even footing in the grand final?

But I am curious, had Kiwi been knocked into the loser bracket by someone other than HuK, then made it to the finals against HuK, would he still have to win 4 games?


Kiwi would have to win 2 Bo3 then.

You don't put them on even footing because that's giving the LB person (Kiwi) a free pass for losing in the tournament, allowing him to actually lose a series yet win the tournament, yet if HuK were to lose one straight-up Bo7 (his only tournament loss) like that he actually would have been punished for losing once while Kiwi was not.

I see what you mean, but I think arguments for single bo7 final are worth looking at. Imagine if Kiwi went to the loser bracket after the first round and still made it to the finals. He would have had to have won around twice as many series to get to the final. This seems like punishment enough, and you could tip the HuK argument on its head and say he was 'rewarded' for not having lost by having to win only the minimum number of series to get to the final.

I only draw out this argument because I think an uphill final isn't as interesting. Had Flash needed to beat Jaedong in 2 bo3s to win the MSL final, while Jaedong only had to win 1, I probably wouldn't have been interested enough to wake up at 5am to watch it. Now I know that wasn't double elimination so the argument is pretty much moot, I'm just commenting on the hypothetical spectacle.
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
August 28 2010 20:52 GMT
#2086
On August 29 2010 05:50 rOMi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2010 05:45 dcemuser wrote:
On August 29 2010 05:44 GenoZStriker wrote:
^ winner bracket finalist would then have a 2:0 if they havent faced each other.


No he wouldn't. It would be 2 Bo3s back to back.


Having a best out of 7 with a 2:0 lead

and

having 2 Bo3s back to back (from the loser's bracket's perspective)

is essentially the same thing.

Wrong.
Tuwy
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands113 Posts
August 28 2010 20:52 GMT
#2087
Name of the song that plays now?
ekaj
Profile Joined February 2010
United States174 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 20:52:51
August 28 2010 20:52 GMT
#2088
On August 29 2010 05:51 Gaius Baltar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2010 05:30 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On August 29 2010 05:28 Gaius Baltar wrote:
I think a handicapped final is not the ideal competition to end a tournament. Surely somebody who made it through the loser bracket already had to win more games than the winner bracket finalist, why not put the players on even footing in the grand final?

But I am curious, had Kiwi been knocked into the loser bracket by someone other than HuK, then made it to the finals against HuK, would he still have to win 4 games?


Kiwi would have to win 2 Bo3 then.

You don't put them on even footing because that's giving the LB person (Kiwi) a free pass for losing in the tournament, allowing him to actually lose a series yet win the tournament, yet if HuK were to lose one straight-up Bo7 (his only tournament loss) like that he actually would have been punished for losing once while Kiwi was not.

I see what you mean, but I think arguments for single bo7 final are worth looking at. Imagine if Kiwi went to the loser bracket after the first round and still made it to the finals. He would have had to have won around twice as many series to get to the final. This seems like punishment enough, and you could tip the HuK argument on its head and say he was 'rewarded' for not having lost by having to win only the minimum number of series to get to the final.

I only draw out this argument because I think an uphill final isn't as interesting. Had Flash needed to beat Jaedong in 2 bo3s to win the MSL final, while Jaedong only had to win 1, I probably wouldn't have been interested enough to wake up at 5am to watch it. Now I know that wasn't double elimination so the argument is pretty much moot, I'm just commenting on the hypothetical spectacle.



huk went through a harder bracket without dropping a game to get where he is, so no it isn't an argument worth looking at
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Phant
Profile Joined August 2010
United States737 Posts
August 28 2010 20:52 GMT
#2089
Let's see if I can break it down to people who simply don't understand double elimination.

Picture every player having 2 lives. If you lose you lose a life. So if we have two people going into the finals that haven't met before, the winners bracket would still have 2 lives, where as the loser's bracket only 1 life.

They will play a best of 3, if the winners bracket wins, the loser's bracket has no lives and is now eliminated. However if the loser's bracket wins, there is still another life left for the winner's bracket and another BO3 series is played.

If the two have met previously, it becomes what is called an extended series. The best of 3 becomes (in this case) a best of 7 with the record transferred from the previous series.

Was that so hard?
Boonesbane
Profile Joined May 2010
United States170 Posts
August 28 2010 20:54 GMT
#2090
Anyone else watching the halo stream while we wait for the grand finals? It's impressive how tactical it gets.
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dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
August 28 2010 20:54 GMT
#2091
On August 29 2010 05:50 rOMi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2010 05:45 dcemuser wrote:
On August 29 2010 05:44 GenoZStriker wrote:
^ winner bracket finalist would then have a 2:0 if they havent faced each other.


No he wouldn't. It would be 2 Bo3s back to back.


Having a best out of 7 with a 2:0 lead

and

having 2 Bo3s back to back (from the loser's bracket's perspective)

is essentially the same thing.


It's similar, but not quite the same. Imagine HuK wins like this

HuK > Kiwi
Kiwi > HuK
Kiwi > HuK

Kiwi wins first Bo3

HuK > Kiwi
Kiwi > HuK
Kiwi > HuK

Kiwi wins tournament

If that was Bo7 with a 2-0 lead,

HuK > Kiwi
Kiwi > HuK
Kiwi > HuK
HuK > Kiwi

HuK wins tournament.
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
August 28 2010 20:54 GMT
#2092
On August 29 2010 05:52 phant wrote:
Let's see if I can break it down to people who simply don't understand double elimination.

Picture every player having 2 lives. If you lose you lose a life. So if we have two people going into the finals that haven't met before, the winners bracket would still have 2 lives, where as the loser's bracket only 1 life.

They will play a best of 3, if the winners bracket wins, the loser's bracket has no lives and is now eliminated. However if the loser's bracket wins, there is still another life left for the winner's bracket and another BO3 series is played.

If the two have met previously, it becomes what is called an extended series. The best of 3 becomes (in this case) a best of 7 with the record transferred from the previous series.

Was that so hard?


While I like MLG's tournament structure, I find it funny that your analogy falls apart when trying to explain the part that people are struggling with.
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sjschmidt93
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2518 Posts
August 28 2010 20:54 GMT
#2093
Well. No toss make it out of group stages at IEM, but yet the final 4 in MLG are all toss.

Nice.

Anyway, I'm sick of playing PvP, but watching it is just comical. Lol @ the colossus battles and the warp in battles. Who ever has a closer pylon will come out on top.
My grandpa could've proxied better, and not only does he have arthritis, he's also dead. -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
Tuwy
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands113 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 20:55:33
August 28 2010 20:55 GMT
#2094
On August 29 2010 05:50 rOMi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2010 05:45 dcemuser wrote:
On August 29 2010 05:44 GenoZStriker wrote:
^ winner bracket finalist would then have a 2:0 if they havent faced each other.


No he wouldn't. It would be 2 Bo3s back to back.


Having a best out of 7 with a 2:0 lead

and

having 2 Bo3s back to back (from the loser's bracket's perspective)

is essentially the same thing.

Nope.

When playing 2 Bo3's back to back, if Kiwi goes Loss, Win Win and Loss, Win, Win, he would take the finals.

In a best out of 7 with a 2:0 lead for Huk with the same order for Kiwi Loss, Win, Win, Loss <- this is where Huk would've won already.

So not the same.

Edit: beaten to it.
alexpnd
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1857 Posts
August 28 2010 20:55 GMT
#2095
On August 29 2010 05:51 Gaius Baltar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2010 05:30 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On August 29 2010 05:28 Gaius Baltar wrote:
I think a handicapped final is not the ideal competition to end a tournament. Surely somebody who made it through the loser bracket already had to win more games than the winner bracket finalist, why not put the players on even footing in the grand final?

But I am curious, had Kiwi been knocked into the loser bracket by someone other than HuK, then made it to the finals against HuK, would he still have to win 4 games?


Kiwi would have to win 2 Bo3 then.

You don't put them on even footing because that's giving the LB person (Kiwi) a free pass for losing in the tournament, allowing him to actually lose a series yet win the tournament, yet if HuK were to lose one straight-up Bo7 (his only tournament loss) like that he actually would have been punished for losing once while Kiwi was not.

I see what you mean, but I think arguments for single bo7 final are worth looking at.
.


I think the important thing to note is that it is a TOURNAMENT. It is not a bo7 show match. The better tournament player is being rewarded. The finals is just the last branch of the tournament, and is the most exciting.
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Hansel
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany311 Posts
August 28 2010 20:55 GMT
#2096
On August 29 2010 05:36 Adonisto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2010 05:32 Shikyo wrote:
This old spice commercial is like the most genius thing ever

Speaking of Old Spice and Husky...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ToxlCfV7us

Lol.

Great stuff!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV_hDyfmEw4
nextstep
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada705 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 20:59:57
August 28 2010 20:58 GMT
#2097
nvm
go KHAN! TBLS <3
nath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1788 Posts
August 28 2010 20:58 GMT
#2098
On August 29 2010 05:54 Boonesbane wrote:
Anyone else watching the halo stream while we wait for the grand finals? It's impressive how tactical it gets.

its an FPS. so obviously with a lack of true strategic depth, play revolves around tactics.
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Tsagacity
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2124 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 21:00:10
August 28 2010 20:59 GMT
#2099
On August 29 2010 05:44 dcemuser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2010 05:42 Funkatron wrote:
On August 29 2010 05:39 guluru wrote:
On August 29 2010 05:36 AmiPolizeiFunk wrote:
I'm pretty sure it will be Best of 7, starting at 2-0, regardless of the fact that the first series was 2-1.


Straight from MLG (right next to the video)

KiWiKaKi takes the win on Delta Quadrant with great use of Stalkers to take the series 2-0. He will be going on to face HuK in the Grand Finals in a continuation of their Upper Final match. HuK will keep his 2-1 lead as they play out a best-of-seven for the title.

I'm not sure how this is confusing so many people


It's just a bit strange because there doesn't seem to be a contingency for when the finalists haven't faced each other yet.


Yes... there is. If they haven't faced each other, they do 2 Bo3s, like normal. Guys, this is in the rules when you sign up and it's on the website as well as being explained tons in this thread.
The loser bracket winner would still get a 2nd bo3 if he lost the first bo3 in the grand finals? It seems like the winners bracket finalist should go into the grand finals with an advantage.
"Everyone worse than me at video games is a noob. Everyone better than me doesn't have a life."
Zoltan-
Profile Joined April 2010
United States71 Posts
August 28 2010 20:59 GMT
#2100
YAY FOR PROTOSS!
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