On August 20 2010 07:30 Sqq wrote: Sorry I just saw.
Why is A1 meet B2, and B1 meet A2
but in Group C and D
C1 meets D1 and C2 meets D2 ?
Someone explain the logic.
It's been discussed earlier in the thread. I'm not sure there were any conclusive answer. Someone claimed Sarans didn't win his group based on the head to head with Dimaga. This seems to be to the contrary to the standings on all sites. The more likely answer, that several people heard being said on the stream, were that the playoff match-ups was semi random. But I didn't see anyone know for sure how it worked, or maybe I just missed it.
TLO with his perfect 6-0 of course got first seed. Idra's performance of 6:2 is 2nd best so he got 2nd seed. Sarens got 5:3, and Dimaga got 4:4.
Acording to that "logic" TLO should be meeting the worst player, and Idra the 2nd worse, not Saren. There must be some seeding as IdrA is probably seeded as 1, and Saren as relativly unknown last. Still I can't see the logic here at all.
Here is one quote from another thread.
On August 20 2010 04:26 JoshSuth wrote: Pretty sure they said the seeding was semi-random, with only the condition that two people from the same group cannot meet until Finals.
That's the only thing that makes sense to me as no seedings I've seen would explain the current match-ups.
The only thing that makes sense is that Dimaga got the first seed from his group, because of his head to head with Saren.
No that wouldn't make sense, because if the head to head is the tie breaker, Strelok would have advanced over demuslim no?
Edit: Naniwa did win over Strelok, so what I said above would not apply as it was a three way tie. So in that case you are right it seems like it would be the most logical scenario. Although that wouldn't explain why several people heard on the stream it was semi-random.
No, because Naniwa beat Strelok so then Naniwa would advance, but demuslim beat naniwa so.. well it ends up with them all tied and the best score moves on.
Edit: You edited your post while I was typing, so my post is moot. -_-
On August 20 2010 07:30 Sqq wrote: Sorry I just saw.
Why is A1 meet B2, and B1 meet A2
but in Group C and D
C1 meets D1 and C2 meets D2 ?
Someone explain the logic.
It's been discussed earlier in the thread. I'm not sure there were any conclusive answer. Someone claimed Sarans didn't win his group based on the head to head with Dimaga. This seems to be to the contrary to the standings on all sites. The more likely answer, that several people heard being said on the stream, were that the playoff match-ups was semi random. But I didn't see anyone know for sure how it worked, or maybe I just missed it.
TLO with his perfect 6-0 of course got first seed. Idra's performance of 6:2 is 2nd best so he got 2nd seed. Sarens got 5:3, and Dimaga got 4:4.
Acording to that "logic" TLO should be meeting the worst player, and Idra the 2nd worse, not Saren. There must be some seeding as IdrA is probably seeded as 1, and Saren as relativly unknown last. Still I can't see the logic here at all.
Here is one quote from another thread.
On August 20 2010 04:26 JoshSuth wrote: Pretty sure they said the seeding was semi-random, with only the condition that two people from the same group cannot meet until Finals.
That's the only thing that makes sense to me as no seedings I've seen would explain the current match-ups.
The only thing that makes sense is that Dimaga got the first seed from his group, because of his head to head with Saren.
No that wouldn't make sense, because if the head to head is the tie breaker, Strelok would have advanced over demuslim no?
Edit: Naniwa did win over Strelok, so what I said above would not apply as it was a three way tie. So in that case you are right it seems like it would be the most logical scenario. Although that wouldn't explain why several people heard on the stream it was semi-random.
No, because Naniwa beat Strelok so then Naniwa would advance, but demuslim beat naniwa so.. well it ends up with them all tied and the best score moves on.
Edit: You edited your post while I was typing, so my post is moot. -_-
Ya, I forgot about Naniwa. Still seems strange that they can't get it right on their own site on the winner of group C. Whatever.
On August 20 2010 05:51 illumination wrote: If you watch IdrA's play he makes a ton of tiny adjustments which, although mean less, require just as much thought and resourcefulness as the bigger things.But IdrA comes off as the least creative and is bashed for being a machine who is totally uncreative and boring. Also TLO wasn't inventing the stuff in the very beginning i dunno where you get your scources
I mentioned the very beginning cos there were ppl like you who thought, "bw builds" in sc2 make sense. which is wrong, and you needed to be proven wrong by people who you say "inevitably" would play the game as it was meant to be. as if it were through no effort of their own or creativity.
idra gets bashed cos idra whined that zvt was broken where in the same period tlo said it wasnt and suggested using ultralisks and doing fast hive WITH ling infestor, idra and artosis then shrugged that idea off and said ultras were shit. Now what do you see from idra? he goes speedling into fast lair, to muta ling, or goes infestor against bio and mech, into fast hive and ultra bl. Its against what he said earlier.
No one is gonna say, only tlo bothered going to hive. thats ridiculous. other ppl tried. But, getting to fast hive, using speedlings and infestors for map control, preventing drops and AA was unique for the time. now everyone acknowledges that you need to get to hive rather quick in zvt for something OTHER than roach regen and brood lords. Its a different attitude to the game that makes ppl respect him.
anyways, cant be that critical of tlos builds cos he adjusts just as much as idra. idra made like 2 lings in game 2 vs demuslim in the iem. Anyones can then say that "hey idras fast lair is really vulnerable at x point in that game" and heck even idra would admit that. but cos he got away with it, it can only add to idras genius. good player. no doubts here.
But i will give up now. if someone like jinro cant convince you that tlo has a creative way of playing zvt then theres no use even talking to you. As his teammate, practice buddy and winner of craploads of euro cups, i think he has played enough zergs to comment on one being different.
On August 20 2010 05:51 illumination wrote: If you watch IdrA's play he makes a ton of tiny adjustments which, although mean less, require just as much thought and resourcefulness as the bigger things.But IdrA comes off as the least creative and is bashed for being a machine who is totally uncreative and boring. Also TLO wasn't inventing the stuff in the very beginning i dunno where you get your scources
I mentioned the very beginning cos there were ppl like you who thought, "bw builds" in sc2 make sense. which is wrong, and you needed to be proven wrong by people who you say "inevitably" would play the game as it was meant to be. as if it were through no effort of their own or creativity.
idra gets bashed cos idra whined that zvt was broken where in the same period tlo said it wasnt and suggested using ultralisks and doing fast hive WITH ling infestor, idra and artosis then shrugged that idea off and said ultras were shit. Now what do you see from idra? he goes speedling into fast lair, to muta ling, or goes infestor against bio and mech, into fast hive and ultra bl. Its against what he said earlier.
No one is gonna say, only tlo bothered going to hive. thats ridiculous. other ppl tried. But, getting to fast hive, using speedlings and infestors for map control, preventing drops and AA was unique for the time. now everyone acknowledges that you need to get to hive rather quick in zvt for something OTHER than roach regen and brood lords. Its a different attitude to the game that makes ppl respect him.
anyways, cant be that critical of tlos builds cos he adjusts just as much as idra. idra made like 2 lings in game 2 vs demuslim in the iem. Anyones can then say that "hey idras fast lair is really vulnerable at x point in that game" and heck even idra would admit that. but cos he got away with it, it can only add to idras genius. good player. no doubts here.
But i will give up now. if someone like jinro cant convince you that tlo has a creative way of playing zvt then theres no use even talking to you. As his teammate, practice buddy and winner of craploads of euro cups, i think he has played enough zergs to comment on one being different.
IdrA didnt criticize the build for being he. he said that is vulnerable against a number of mid game pushes by the terran because hellion and tanks can completely kill it without a scratch. It is only good against turtle mech but if he scouts u fast teching its over. I dunno where you got ur scource for idra calling ultras shit but it must have been long ago when well they were shit and could be slowed by marauders and shit.
and i dunno why u brought this up on in the first place but using bw builds to START with makse sense. You haev to experiment a bunch to find what works and why not do what what you know then adjust it?
If TLOs build was successful in zvt then id give him credit but it has obvious flaws while he claimed that it would work so well that terran would be in trouble and obvious this isnt true. There haev been plenty of creative plays but if they dont work they arnt worth mentions because everyone comes up creative shit.
Lastly, idra and artosis might come off as whiny to you but its not whining when they have good reasoning behind what is wrong. TesteR gave a in detail reason why terrans were overpowered 3 months ago and now it has come true. If you know people more qualified and with good reasons then list them but TLO is not one of them.
EPT
That sucks.
I want him to win now! Dimaga fighting.
