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Shika
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden1711 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-19 23:14:47
August 19 2010 23:13 GMT
#2241
On August 20 2010 08:03 nihlon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2010 08:01 Cocacooh wrote:
On August 20 2010 07:52 nihlon wrote:
On August 20 2010 07:45 Sqq wrote:
On August 20 2010 07:41 Dionyseus wrote:
On August 20 2010 07:39 nihlon wrote:
On August 20 2010 07:30 Sqq wrote:
Sorry I just saw.

Why is A1 meet B2, and B1 meet A2

but in Group C and D

C1 meets D1 and C2 meets D2 ?

Someone explain the logic.


It's been discussed earlier in the thread. I'm not sure there were any conclusive answer. Someone claimed Sarans didn't win his group based on the head to head with Dimaga. This seems to be to the contrary to the standings on all sites. The more likely answer, that several people heard being said on the stream, were that the playoff match-ups was semi random. But I didn't see anyone know for sure how it worked, or maybe I just missed it.


Here's the scoring: http://www.esl-world.net/masters/season5/gamescom/sc2/groupstage/rankings/

TLO with his perfect 6-0 of course got first seed. Idra's performance of 6:2 is 2nd best so he got 2nd seed. Sarens got 5:3, and Dimaga got 4:4.


Acording to that "logic" TLO should be meeting the worst player, and Idra the 2nd worse, not Saren. There must be some seeding as IdrA is probably seeded as 1, and Saren as relativly unknown last. Still I can't see the logic here at all.


Here is one quote from another thread.

On August 20 2010 04:26 JoshSuth wrote:
Pretty sure they said the seeding was semi-random, with only the condition that two people from the same group cannot meet until Finals.


That's the only thing that makes sense to me as no seedings I've seen would explain the current match-ups.

The only thing that makes sense is that Dimaga got the first seed from his group, because of his head to head with Saren.


No that wouldn't make sense, because if the head to head is the tie breaker, Strelok would have advanced over demuslim no?

Edit: Naniwa did win over Strelok, so what I said above would not apply as it was a three way tie. So in that case you are right it seems like it would be the most logical scenario. Although that wouldn't explain why several people heard on the stream it was semi-random.


No, because Naniwa beat Strelok so then Naniwa would advance, but demuslim beat naniwa so.. well it ends up with them all tied and the best score moves on.

Edit: You edited your post while I was typing, so my post is moot. -_-
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-19 23:16:38
August 19 2010 23:15 GMT
#2242
On August 20 2010 08:13 Shika wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2010 08:03 nihlon wrote:
On August 20 2010 08:01 Cocacooh wrote:
On August 20 2010 07:52 nihlon wrote:
On August 20 2010 07:45 Sqq wrote:
On August 20 2010 07:41 Dionyseus wrote:
On August 20 2010 07:39 nihlon wrote:
On August 20 2010 07:30 Sqq wrote:
Sorry I just saw.

Why is A1 meet B2, and B1 meet A2

but in Group C and D

C1 meets D1 and C2 meets D2 ?

Someone explain the logic.


It's been discussed earlier in the thread. I'm not sure there were any conclusive answer. Someone claimed Sarans didn't win his group based on the head to head with Dimaga. This seems to be to the contrary to the standings on all sites. The more likely answer, that several people heard being said on the stream, were that the playoff match-ups was semi random. But I didn't see anyone know for sure how it worked, or maybe I just missed it.


Here's the scoring: http://www.esl-world.net/masters/season5/gamescom/sc2/groupstage/rankings/

TLO with his perfect 6-0 of course got first seed. Idra's performance of 6:2 is 2nd best so he got 2nd seed. Sarens got 5:3, and Dimaga got 4:4.


Acording to that "logic" TLO should be meeting the worst player, and Idra the 2nd worse, not Saren. There must be some seeding as IdrA is probably seeded as 1, and Saren as relativly unknown last. Still I can't see the logic here at all.


Here is one quote from another thread.

On August 20 2010 04:26 JoshSuth wrote:
Pretty sure they said the seeding was semi-random, with only the condition that two people from the same group cannot meet until Finals.


That's the only thing that makes sense to me as no seedings I've seen would explain the current match-ups.

The only thing that makes sense is that Dimaga got the first seed from his group, because of his head to head with Saren.


No that wouldn't make sense, because if the head to head is the tie breaker, Strelok would have advanced over demuslim no?

Edit: Naniwa did win over Strelok, so what I said above would not apply as it was a three way tie. So in that case you are right it seems like it would be the most logical scenario. Although that wouldn't explain why several people heard on the stream it was semi-random.


No, because Naniwa beat Strelok so then Naniwa would advance, but demuslim beat naniwa so.. well it ends up with them all tied and the best score moves on.

Edit: You edited your post while I was typing, so my post is moot. -_-


Ya, I forgot about Naniwa. Still seems strange that they can't get it right on their own site on the winner of group C. Whatever.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
Angra
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2652 Posts
August 19 2010 23:26 GMT
#2243
So no vods at all besides those couple on the ESL site? That sucks.

Does anyone remember who was streaming the games live so I could maybe watch them on their livestream page?
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
August 19 2010 23:32 GMT
#2244
On August 20 2010 08:26 Angra wrote:
So no vods at all besides those couple on the ESL site? That sucks.

Does anyone remember who was streaming the games live so I could maybe watch them on their livestream page?


This thread is probably best to check for those.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=145398
Banelings are too cute to blow up
teko
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada1197 Posts
August 19 2010 23:36 GMT
#2245
On August 20 2010 08:26 Angra wrote:
So no vods at all besides those couple on the ESL site? That sucks.

Does anyone remember who was streaming the games live so I could maybe watch them on their livestream page?


Check out this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=145398

There are also some people who casted the replays on YouTube.
Rope
Profile Joined April 2010
Ireland45 Posts
August 19 2010 23:37 GMT
#2246
Idra vs Demuslim vod is up: http://tv.esl.eu/de/vod/22340
Escapist
Profile Joined July 2010
Portugal548 Posts
August 20 2010 00:33 GMT
#2247
IdrA -MYMsuNNy- (Z) VS Strelok (T) G2 Part 1 IEM (Group Stage) ->
EU / US / KR English Shoutcasted Matches 720p HD -> http://www.youtube.com/user/xHydrax
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11076 Posts
August 20 2010 00:37 GMT
#2248
Decent day. Midway through the Oasis game, Hasu doesn't look super impressive. Calling him a protoss madfrog wouldn't be far from the mark.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
IPS.Mardow.
Profile Joined November 2009
Germany713 Posts
August 20 2010 01:15 GMT
#2249
GO DIMAGA!

Dimaga actually seems really cool in person I want him to win now! Dimaga fighting.
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
August 20 2010 01:43 GMT
#2250
Saw the Idra vs Demuslim games. Wow. Game 2 was terribly close, I thought Idra had lost that. And game 3 was nerve wracking too.

The interview at the end was hilarious too.

Demuslim:"In game one I cheesed because Idra is known to tilting after losing to something, uh, gay."
The Past: Yellow, Julyzerg, Chojja, Savior, GGplay -- The Present: Luxury, Jae- The Future: -Dong, maGma, Zero, Effort, Hoejja, hyvaa, by.hero, calm, Action ---> SC2 (Ret?? Kolll Idra!! SEN, Cool, ZergBong, Leenock)
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
August 20 2010 02:23 GMT
#2251
On August 20 2010 08:37 Rope wrote:
Idra vs Demuslim vod is up: http://tv.esl.eu/de/vod/22340


Very good games.
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T0fuuu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia2275 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-20 04:49:22
August 20 2010 04:46 GMT
#2252
On August 20 2010 05:51 illumination wrote:
If you watch IdrA's play he makes a ton of tiny adjustments which, although mean less, require just as much thought and resourcefulness as the bigger things.But IdrA comes off as the least creative and is bashed for being a machine who is totally uncreative and boring. Also TLO wasn't inventing the stuff in the very beginning i dunno where you get your scources


I mentioned the very beginning cos there were ppl like you who thought, "bw builds" in sc2 make sense. which is wrong, and you needed to be proven wrong by people who you say "inevitably" would play the game as it was meant to be. as if it were through no effort of their own or creativity.

idra gets bashed cos idra whined that zvt was broken where in the same period tlo said it wasnt and suggested using ultralisks and doing fast hive WITH ling infestor, idra and artosis then shrugged that idea off and said ultras were shit. Now what do you see from idra? he goes speedling into fast lair, to muta ling, or goes infestor against bio and mech, into fast hive and ultra bl. Its against what he said earlier.

No one is gonna say, only tlo bothered going to hive. thats ridiculous. other ppl tried. But, getting to fast hive, using speedlings and infestors for map control, preventing drops and AA was unique for the time. now everyone acknowledges that you need to get to hive rather quick in zvt for something OTHER than roach regen and brood lords. Its a different attitude to the game that makes ppl respect him.

anyways, cant be that critical of tlos builds cos he adjusts just as much as idra. idra made like 2 lings in game 2 vs demuslim in the iem. Anyones can then say that "hey idras fast lair is really vulnerable at x point in that game" and heck even idra would admit that. but cos he got away with it, it can only add to idras genius. good player. no doubts here.

But i will give up now. if someone like jinro cant convince you that tlo has a creative way of playing zvt then theres no use even talking to you. As his teammate, practice buddy and winner of craploads of euro cups, i think he has played enough zergs to comment on one being different.
oursblanc
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1450 Posts
August 20 2010 05:14 GMT
#2253
IdrA gives a sweet interview.
An oasis of horror in a desert of boredom!
shawster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada2485 Posts
August 20 2010 05:18 GMT
#2254
attaboy idra

LWW zerg
illumination
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)248 Posts
August 20 2010 06:12 GMT
#2255
On August 20 2010 13:46 T0fuuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2010 05:51 illumination wrote:
If you watch IdrA's play he makes a ton of tiny adjustments which, although mean less, require just as much thought and resourcefulness as the bigger things.But IdrA comes off as the least creative and is bashed for being a machine who is totally uncreative and boring. Also TLO wasn't inventing the stuff in the very beginning i dunno where you get your scources


I mentioned the very beginning cos there were ppl like you who thought, "bw builds" in sc2 make sense. which is wrong, and you needed to be proven wrong by people who you say "inevitably" would play the game as it was meant to be. as if it were through no effort of their own or creativity.

idra gets bashed cos idra whined that zvt was broken where in the same period tlo said it wasnt and suggested using ultralisks and doing fast hive WITH ling infestor, idra and artosis then shrugged that idea off and said ultras were shit. Now what do you see from idra? he goes speedling into fast lair, to muta ling, or goes infestor against bio and mech, into fast hive and ultra bl. Its against what he said earlier.

No one is gonna say, only tlo bothered going to hive. thats ridiculous. other ppl tried. But, getting to fast hive, using speedlings and infestors for map control, preventing drops and AA was unique for the time. now everyone acknowledges that you need to get to hive rather quick in zvt for something OTHER than roach regen and brood lords. Its a different attitude to the game that makes ppl respect him.

anyways, cant be that critical of tlos builds cos he adjusts just as much as idra. idra made like 2 lings in game 2 vs demuslim in the iem. Anyones can then say that "hey idras fast lair is really vulnerable at x point in that game" and heck even idra would admit that. but cos he got away with it, it can only add to idras genius. good player. no doubts here.

But i will give up now. if someone like jinro cant convince you that tlo has a creative way of playing zvt then theres no use even talking to you. As his teammate, practice buddy and winner of craploads of euro cups, i think he has played enough zergs to comment on one being different.

IdrA didnt criticize the build for being he. he said that is vulnerable against a number of mid game pushes by the terran because hellion and tanks can completely kill it without a scratch. It is only good against turtle mech but if he scouts u fast teching its over. I dunno where you got ur scource for idra calling ultras shit but it must have been long ago when well they were shit and could be slowed by marauders and shit.

and i dunno why u brought this up on in the first place but using bw builds to START with makse sense. You haev to experiment a bunch to find what works and why not do what what you know then adjust it?

If TLOs build was successful in zvt then id give him credit but it has obvious flaws while he claimed that it would work so well that terran would be in trouble and obvious this isnt true. There haev been plenty of creative plays but if they dont work they arnt worth mentions because everyone comes up creative shit.

Lastly, idra and artosis might come off as whiny to you but its not whining when they have good reasoning behind what is wrong. TesteR gave a in detail reason why terrans were overpowered 3 months ago and now it has come true. If you know people more qualified and with good reasons then list them but TLO is not one of them.
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Escapist
Profile Joined July 2010
Portugal548 Posts
August 20 2010 08:48 GMT
#2256
IdrA -MYMsuNNy- (Z) VS Strelok (T) G2 Part 2 IEM (Group Stage) ->
EU / US / KR English Shoutcasted Matches 720p HD -> http://www.youtube.com/user/xHydrax
Esp1noza
Profile Joined September 2003
Russian Federation481 Posts
August 21 2010 11:38 GMT
#2257
How Strelok vs Demuslim on LT isn't recommended?
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