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Piski
Finland3461 Posts
On July 25 2010 15:56 kzn wrote: I was high silver with 90-100apm for a couple weeks in Phase 1. I really can't see a silver player having 100apm without just spamming those 4 and 5's. At least from a "real" silver player  You said that for a couple of weeks so I'm guessing you got promoted, congrats. | ||
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kzn
United States1218 Posts
On July 25 2010 16:33 Piski wrote: I really can't see a silver player having 100apm without just spamming those 4 and 5's. At least from a "real" silver player You said that for a couple of weeks so I'm guessing you got promoted, congrats.Well, there's a reason for it :p I tried to get into BW and spent a lot of time focusing on APM (like an idiot), burned out and stopped playing RTS for a while - but when I got back into SC2 it vaguely paid off in APM terms. I was in the odd situation of having better mechanics than your average silver player but a much worse grasp of strategy. | ||
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taruts
New Zealand41 Posts
Fantastic tournament. I'll definitely be buying Razer from now on. XD | ||
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Psyclon
Bulgaria2443 Posts
 Anyway, my jaw is still somewhere on the floor after game 3 between IdrA and TLO. Simply amazing. Wish i could play like that! | ||
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Piski
Finland3461 Posts
On July 25 2010 16:45 kzn wrote: Well, there's a reason for it :p I tried to get into BW and spent a lot of time focusing on APM (like an idiot), burned out and stopped playing RTS for a while - but when I got back into SC2 it vaguely paid off in APM terms. I was in the odd situation of having better mechanics than your average silver player but a much worse grasp of strategy. Well you are in a better place than most of the silver players then :D I would choose good mechanics over strategy any day | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On July 25 2010 16:45 kzn wrote: I was in the odd situation of having better mechanics than your average silver player but a much worse grasp of strategy. If you had far better mechanics you should have easily been able to move up to gold/plat | ||
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kzn
United States1218 Posts
On July 25 2010 17:38 Numy wrote: If you had far better mechanics you should have easily been able to move up to gold/plat I didn't say far better, I said better. And once I got a handle on basic strategy I did. Nevertheless, I was a silver player with 90-100apm for a good 2 weeks :d | ||
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nemahsys
Canada457 Posts
On July 25 2010 07:57 LaLuSh wrote: He doesn't. He was on the verge of transitioning into battlecruisers (again) while at the same time thinking it a good idea to make a game ending push on cross positions. Mind you he almost succeeded anyway. Had he just spent those extra minerals and gas on tanks he would have wiped out idra's army easily. Instead he left 2 unfinished starports (SCVs building them were killed by idra's mutas) untouched for 3-4 minutes while pushing, and at the same time he started a CC for a third base. The height of terran greediness. They think they can do it all simultaneously, and still get away with it. What's more remarkable, is that he almost killed Idra despite being so utterly greedy and investing so little in the cross position push. A mid game push should involve some level of commitment. Rather ridiculous to think a terran feels comfortable enough to do a cross position push while putting down a 3rd CC, while putting down 2 starports and planning to switch to BCs. That's cocky, and greedy. And what's more scary: had it not been cross positions, it even would have worked... Let me just preface this by saying i completely respect your opinion and am not quoting you to argue it in any way. I just made that post to express my opinion that people arent going to stop calling terran imbalanced just b/c idra beat tlo in zvt. I wasnt trying to say that tlo does or doesnt know how to play mech properly or that the matchup is imba or not. Every new tournament I watch I see new and creative stuff so I dont feel Im in any position to call anything imbalanced, theres just too much left to learn about sc2 and so much more that's probably going to change. | ||
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
Idra vs TLo series was fucking amazing. Suck it "creativity"(which for most non-tlo people just means chronic cheesers with no macro) tards, solid mechanical gameplay backed by hours of practice wins this time. | ||
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Goobus
Hong Kong587 Posts
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Chipthemonk
United States7 Posts
I don't get it honestly. I find TLO a ton of fun to watch. Idra, not as much. | ||
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Pulimuli
Sweden2766 Posts
On July 25 2010 15:06 Subversion wrote: I think everyone who said 12 second NP wasn't much of a nerf needs to watch IdrA v TLO. He could've easily killed those BC's, NP -> Attack them with his hydras = dead BC's, but he didnt. Dont blame the NP nerf for that | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On July 25 2010 19:36 Pulimuli wrote: Against massive units, NP is still more cost-beneficial use of energy than the other infestor spells. + Show Spoiler +I think everyone who said 12 second NP wasn't much of a nerf needs to watch IdrA v TLO. Those were just too many BCs. They got hit pretty hard, but barely got out alive. It was close, like it was close in the third game, when IdrA barely survived and won. These two games show the potential of SC2 to be very entertaining, pulling the "wow" effect. | ||
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tangwhat
New Zealand446 Posts
On July 25 2010 19:36 Pulimuli wrote: He could've easily killed those BC's, NP -> Attack them with his hydras = dead BC's, but he didnt. Dont blame the NP nerf for that We can if he didn't know about it before the game. | ||
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
On July 25 2010 19:36 Pulimuli wrote: He could've easily killed those BC's, NP -> Attack them with his hydras = dead BC's, but he didnt. Dont blame the NP nerf for that yeah, sure, but with the old way he would've been able to np them, kill the other BCs, then bring them back and kill with hydra. he also could have kept them there to defend against TLO's backup BCs that rolled in like 5 secs later. also, in the very next game TLO says to idra that 12 sec NP sucks ass. you gonna say u know better than TLO now as well? lolz | ||
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Pulimuli
Sweden2766 Posts
On July 25 2010 21:08 Subversion wrote: yeah, sure, but with the old way he would've been able to np them, kill the other BCs, then bring them back and kill with hydra. he also could have kept them there to defend against TLO's backup BCs that rolled in like 5 secs later. also, in the very next game TLO says to idra that 12 sec NP sucks ass. you gonna say u know better than TLO now as well? lolzdid i say i know better? NP is way worse than it used to be but he still could have killed those BC's fairly easily, he might not have known, forgot about it or just lost focus. He won the series anyway so doesnt really matter that much | ||
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Ghad
Norway2551 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I screamed for joy when I saw Idra go for the drop. | ||
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redviper
Pakistan2333 Posts
On July 25 2010 16:33 Piski wrote: I really can't see a silver player having 100apm without just spamming those 4 and 5's. At least from a "real" silver player You said that for a couple of weeks so I'm guessing you got promoted, congrats.I was a silver player with a 100 apm (and no spamming either). I did get to gold in the end and eventually platinum, but I certainly didn't deserve higher than gold. | ||
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wristuzi
United Kingdom1168 Posts
On July 25 2010 21:30 Ghad wrote: Last game between TLO and Idra: + Show Spoiler + I screamed for joy when I saw Idra go for the drop. Me too. It was a complete stroke of genius. And I think it shows people quite clearly that IdrA is a player who can be creative when he needs to be. Bah, I don't even like this whole creativity discussion, I just want Zerg and Protoss to smash Terran however they do it I'm so hopelessly biased :SSeriously though, that drop was perfectly timed as well, Idra had the overlord upgrade finished and ready for a counterattack, so was probably going to be doing some sort of drops later on anyway. | ||
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EnderCN
United States499 Posts
On July 25 2010 21:08 Subversion wrote: yeah, sure, but with the old way he would've been able to np them, kill the other BCs, then bring them back and kill with hydra. he also could have kept them there to defend against TLO's backup BCs that rolled in like 5 secs later. also, in the very next game TLO says to idra that 12 sec NP sucks ass. you gonna say u know better than TLO now as well? lolzWhich is why it was nerfed because that would be overpowered, the ability isn't meant to be able to kill off half the enemy army and then kill the other half at your leisure. Just because they are pros doesn't mean they are perfect. IdrA could have done a lot more damage with those NP than he did and the ability is still very viable at 12 seconds. I know I was screaming at the screen to kill the NP BCs too. | ||
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