EPTRazer King of the Beta by Day[9] - Page 150
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krowe
United States184 Posts
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Macavity
United States83 Posts
On July 25 2010 08:18 NonFactor wrote: Also people need to look at when Idra attacked, his attacking time was great. The tanks weren't sieged and started sieging up while Idras roaches were already pounding the Thors. Imo something that really affected the outcome of the battle. There are only two possibilities with the TLO and Idra matches: a) TLO played horribly accidentally. b) TLO played horribly intentionally. Maybe TLO was tired or something. Maybe that game with Tester just drained him. But TLO was definitely not playing his best. How does someone leave two starports unfinished? And how does TLO march up to Idra's base with Thors and siege tanks only to just sit there for a while, and not even sieging his tanks (until the attack comes)? And at the end, TLO even starts firing at his own factories! Was he helping Idra destroy his own base!? All I know, I wish when I played Zerg that I had Terran opponents play like TLO. I wish they would leave their starports unfinished (not completing them or canceling them). I wish when they marched up to my base with tanks and thors that they would just sit there for a minute while I crank out plenty of roaches. And I wish they would leave their siege tanks unsieged until well after I began attacking. And most of all, when I counter-attack, I really wish for the Terran player to start attacking his own factories. (And I wish in all my games that the Terran player would just go for Battlecruisers.) Anyway, I like Day[9], but I do wish he would stop describing everything that TLO does as 'creative' when they are things that every Terran player does. Making mass battlecruisers is not 'creative' nor 'brilliant strategy'. If TLO makes thors, that is not 'creative' as that is a very common Terran strategy. | ||
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Ocedic
United States1808 Posts
On July 25 2010 10:12 Macavity wrote: Whining about percieved 'whining' should be bannable. Such a post adds nothing to the discussion. The only reason why there is more angst on the forum than usual is because of the dry period between beta and full release. Once the game comes out, people will be playing more and posting less. Just be patient. If you're going to play semantics then your own post should be bannable. Just because you're butthurt I called you out on your whining doesn't mean you can make idle threats. As I already mentioned, this thread is about the TOURNAMENT not your biased crying about racial balance. That's the last reply you'll get because any further response from you just shows how much of a spoiled ugly child you are. | ||
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LOcDowN
United States1015 Posts
How does someone leave two starports unfinished? Because it was a high pressure all-in attack so those 2 ports might have been forgotten about or didn't even matter at that point. And how does TLO march up to Idra's base with Thors and siege tanks only to just sit there for a while, and not even sieging his tanks (until the attack comes)? At one point all those tanks were sieged but then he unsieged and attempted to move them closer. Unfortunately, when he tried to move them closer IdrA attacked before he could've sieged safely. And at the end, TLO even starts firing at his own factories Because he was broken, something I know I would do if my all-in was denied and an attack was sholved at my face before I could even mass up again. | ||
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Brokengamer
Philippines116 Posts
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
his micro is so good its unexpected and gets his opponents off guard | ||
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torm
Canada274 Posts
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KillyKyll
United States267 Posts
Because I am. I actually haven't been able to watch all the games yet, blip.tv screws with my internet so I needed to watch them on youtube (thank you day9 for putting it up there also!). But so far it's completely epic. | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On July 25 2010 11:24 torm wrote: I dont think you guys are appreciating quite how incredible IdrA's play was against TLO on Metalopolis. As to what LaLush was saying, TLO would have survived and defended after his push AND gotten his 3rd up comfortably if it wasn't for IdrA's extremely early Ventral Sacs upgrade. Yeah - it was like "Idra has 6 roaches". 10sec later (combat starting) Idra has 24 roaches. Almost perfect powering drones as long as possible. | ||
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torm
Canada274 Posts
On July 25 2010 10:37 Ocedic wrote: If you're going to play semantics then your own post should be bannable. Just because you're butthurt I called you out on your whining doesn't mean you can make idle threats. As I already mentioned, this thread is about the TOURNAMENT not your biased crying about racial balance. That's the last reply you'll get because any further response from you just shows how much of a spoiled ugly child you are. This thread is about the King of the Beta tournament. It is to crown one player as the King of Starcraft 2 beta, what's the problem about discussing the factors that serve to contribute or handicap players from being crowned king? (i.e. balance discussion, RL race discussion (which is a pretty ignorant discussion to have anyway, it's clearly a nurture issue not a nature issue)) I think that having 150 pages of discussion ranging from polls about who will win, or who's play was most exciting, to discussions about various strats or matchups or games, or players, to discussions about balance and whatever else is what makes this KotB thread awesome. =D The only posts that are a waste of time to read are posts in which people get upset that not ALL 150 pages are interesting to THEM. QQ | ||
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Piski
Finland3461 Posts
On July 25 2010 10:46 Brokengamer wrote: TLO knows that bio and mech is countered by ultralisks late game on open field battles(common on metalopolis). He knows that himself because he was one the first people who promoted ultralisk usage. That is the reason why TLO had to resort to double port into BC's and when it didn't work he had to rely in a stupid timing attack hoping to defeat him before the ultras come...instead of his usual macro roflstomp. You are talking like Ultralisk is a unit people should fear, cool :o | ||
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FindingPride
United States1001 Posts
On July 25 2010 10:30 Macavity wrote: There are only two possibilities with the TLO and Idra matches: a) TLO played horribly accidentally. b) TLO played horribly intentionally. Maybe TLO was tired or something. Maybe that game with Tester just drained him. But TLO was definitely not playing his best. How does someone leave two starports unfinished? And how does TLO march up to Idra's base with Thors and siege tanks only to just sit there for a while, and not even sieging his tanks (until the attack comes)? And at the end, TLO even starts firing at his own factories! Was he helping Idra destroy his own base!? All I know, I wish when I played Zerg that I had Terran opponents play like TLO. I wish they would leave their starports unfinished (not completing them or canceling them). I wish when they marched up to my base with tanks and thors that they would just sit there for a minute while I crank out plenty of roaches. And I wish they would leave their siege tanks unsieged until well after I began attacking. And most of all, when I counter-attack, I really wish for the Terran player to start attacking his own factories. (And I wish in all my games that the Terran player would just go for Battlecruisers.) Anyway, I like Day[9], but I do wish he would stop describing everything that TLO does as 'creative' when they are things that every Terran player does. Making mass battlecruisers is not 'creative' nor 'brilliant strategy'. If TLO makes thors, that is not 'creative' as that is a very common Terran strategy. Or he just got outplayed. Seriously? played horribly intentionally? This is worse then the anti-idra fanboys. Come on. You seriously cant believe that. TLO had such an amazing lead game 3. and idra just played brilliant coming out on top of that. | ||
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buKe
Canada168 Posts
On July 25 2010 10:30 Macavity wrote: There are only two possibilities with the TLO and Idra matches: a) TLO played horribly accidentally. b) TLO played horribly intentionally. Maybe TLO was tired or something. Maybe that game with Tester just drained him. But TLO was definitely not playing his best. How does someone leave two starports unfinished? And how does TLO march up to Idra's base with Thors and siege tanks only to just sit there for a while, and not even sieging his tanks (until the attack comes)? And at the end, TLO even starts firing at his own factories! Was he helping Idra destroy his own base!? All I know, I wish when I played Zerg that I had Terran opponents play like TLO. I wish they would leave their starports unfinished (not completing them or canceling them). I wish when they marched up to my base with tanks and thors that they would just sit there for a minute while I crank out plenty of roaches. And I wish they would leave their siege tanks unsieged until well after I began attacking. And most of all, when I counter-attack, I really wish for the Terran player to start attacking his own factories. (And I wish in all my games that the Terran player would just go for Battlecruisers.) Anyway, I like Day[9], but I do wish he would stop describing everything that TLO does as 'creative' when they are things that every Terran player does. Making mass battlecruisers is not 'creative' nor 'brilliant strategy'. If TLO makes thors, that is not 'creative' as that is a very common Terran strategy. wall of excuse. idra's the better player, get over it. ps. idra did nothing phenomenal either. that "patience" until he attacked in game3 was basic play. | ||
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FindingPride
United States1001 Posts
On July 25 2010 11:46 buKe wrote: wall of excuse. idra's the better player, get over it. ps. idra did nothing phenomenal either. that "patience" until he attacked in game3 was basic play. The Micro at last battle. He positioned it perfectly. And the counter drop was great as well. Also the mutas attacking the side scouting and canceling the starport ( in TLO's case) rendered useless. | ||
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allowicious
United States972 Posts
On July 25 2010 10:30 Macavity wrote: There are only two possibilities with the TLO and Idra matches: a) TLO played horribly accidentally. b) TLO played horribly intentionally. Maybe TLO was tired or something. Maybe that game with Tester just drained him. But TLO was definitely not playing his best. How does someone leave two starports unfinished? And how does TLO march up to Idra's base with Thors and siege tanks only to just sit there for a while, and not even sieging his tanks (until the attack comes)? And at the end, TLO even starts firing at his own factories! Was he helping Idra destroy his own base!? All I know, I wish when I played Zerg that I had Terran opponents play like TLO. I wish they would leave their starports unfinished (not completing them or canceling them). I wish when they marched up to my base with tanks and thors that they would just sit there for a minute while I crank out plenty of roaches. And I wish they would leave their siege tanks unsieged until well after I began attacking. And most of all, when I counter-attack, I really wish for the Terran player to start attacking his own factories. (And I wish in all my games that the Terran player would just go for Battlecruisers.) Anyway, I like Day[9], but I do wish he would stop describing everything that TLO does as 'creative' when they are things that every Terran player does. Making mass battlecruisers is not 'creative' nor 'brilliant strategy'. If TLO makes thors, that is not 'creative' as that is a very common Terran strategy. You can't be serious. So you're saying the only two possibilities leading to the outcome of the TLO/Idra match were that TLO played horribly accidentally, or TLO played horribly intentionally? Give me a break. How about the possibility of, I don't know...Idra playing well. First of all, what incentive would TLO have to play horribly intentionally? That makes no sense. I'm not sure how the players were selected for the tournament (I'm assuming Day9 invited several players, and they either accepted or declined), but if you accept an invitation to play in such a tournament, you enter it to win. If you have no intention of playing your best, then why take the spot of another potential player who is willing to give it his all? Also, I doubt the games were played back to back to back, so you can probably dismiss the idea that his game with Tester "drained" him. I'm assuming there must have been at least some time break in between each set of games (whether it was a few hours, or a few day), but it doesn't take long to recover mentally/physically from a 40 minute game of Starcraft. For the actual game itself, I will agree with you. TLO did not play phenomenal. But he didn't play horribly. His attack on Idra's base was almost as well timed as it could get. Idra's third was just getting up, and all the larvae had been used to make drones, which means Idra didn't have the army count to directly engage right away. I'm not sure of TLO scanned Idra's natural or not, but I'm assuming he didn't based on the way he was moving so cautiously. He was leapfrogging tanks slowly because he probably didn't know Idra's exact army size. Also if you look, there is an overlord right over the cliff of Idra's main. Its very possible that Idra saw TLO unsieged the back few tanks, which is why Idra attacked at that moment, making it seem like TLO was "unsieged" and "unprepared." Actually, I don't think most people realize how important the pulling of the drones was. The first few volley of tank shots went directly off on the drones, rather than the roaches. In addition, the scvs weren't repairing the thors, which was huge. The scvs were up in the front fighting the roaches, which was most likely a mismicro error or inattention to the actual battle itself. That's why TLO lost the battle. As for the starports being unfinished, that is a pointless argument. He had just gotten harassed, and was planning on pushing Idra's nat to end the game. If the game went on longer, than maybe you could have made a case out of the unfinished starports. But even if the starports were finished during the battle, it would not have changed anything. Idra immediately counterdropped, so anything coming out of the starport would be useless. And if you seriously think TLO intentionally attacked his own factories to help Idra kill his base quicker, than I don't know what to say. | ||
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goswser
United States3548 Posts
On July 25 2010 11:29 Zocat wrote: Yeah - it was like "Idra has 6 roaches". 10sec later (combat starting) Idra has 24 roaches. Almost perfect powering drones as long as possible. TLO should have just thrown down a scan before moving in, saw that idra had nothing, and just sieged in range of the natural immediately, instead of sitting back waiting for reinforcements while idra quadruples his roach count, when his original push (4 thor, 3 tank, 12ish rines and 8ish scvs) arrived, idra had like 7 roaches and the mutas, if TLO had aggressively pushed in then he could have easily taken the game. Edit: now we'll just get to watch idra lose a few more games to tester, I already know he has no chance of winning the series, and unless he breaks away from his mass hydra macro gameplay, hes not even going to beat tester once. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
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VonLego
United States519 Posts
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BaaL`
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On July 25 2010 12:18 nayumi wrote: is http://day9tv.blip.tv not working for anyone? Works for me. | ||
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Backpack
United States1776 Posts
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