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wintergt
Profile Joined February 2010
Belgium1335 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-24 20:15:07
July 24 2010 20:13 GMT
#2941
QXC > Idra
ITR >Tester

finals QXC > ITR (again)

I must say though, this has been an epic tournament so far. We have seen some long games, but mostly short games that sometimes went down to the wire and everything was very fun to watch. Great tournament.
here i am
boboweiwei
Profile Joined July 2010
United States8 Posts
July 24 2010 20:17 GMT
#2942
Idra probably talked ITR into losing to QXC just so he'll get a free ride to the finals

Tester vs ITR is hard to call.
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
July 24 2010 20:28 GMT
#2943
Tester will beat ITR, QXC will hopefully lose to IdrA cheesing ^^ tough to call.
I think esports is pretty nice.
SoL[9]
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Portugal1370 Posts
July 24 2010 20:47 GMT
#2944
On July 25 2010 05:10 Alou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 04:41 SoL[9] wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
TLO But you was great.
QXC strategy was fantastic vs ITR. I look forward to see him again playing


HuK the lost chronicles, ahh i didnt get. Was brag replay? Or was just to show that koreans fail in bo to?


It was a game Day9 accidentally skipped over so Day9 played it so people could see HuK went 1-2 in all his matches.


Ah now i get it. Ty
I Can Fly...
Krenium
Profile Joined July 2010
4 Posts
July 24 2010 20:58 GMT
#2945
On July 25 2010 05:17 boboweiwei wrote:
Idra probably talked ITR into losing to QXC just so he'll get a free ride to the finals

Tester vs ITR is hard to call.


Lol, I thought about ITR throwing the match too, since before this match everyone thought ITR would utterly dominate qxc 2-0. Then I realized that ITR would've had a much better chance getting into the finals if he didn't lose to QXC, since now he has play Tester. Plus getting into the finals and getting third is the difference between $1000 and nothing, so unless IdrA bribed him with $1001 dollars I don't see why he'd do it
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
July 24 2010 21:00 GMT
#2946
On July 25 2010 05:58 Krenium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 05:17 boboweiwei wrote:
Idra probably talked ITR into losing to QXC just so he'll get a free ride to the finals

Tester vs ITR is hard to call.


Lol, I thought about ITR throwing the match too, since before this match everyone thought ITR would utterly dominate qxc 2-0. Then I realized that ITR would've had a much better chance getting into the finals if he didn't lose to QXC, since now he has play Tester. Plus getting into the finals and getting third is the difference between $1000 and nothing, so unless IdrA bribed him with $1001 dollars I don't see why he'd do it


That's assuming he even knew the results of the other games and that they played it in the order that the games have been cast. Unlikely imo.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
July 24 2010 21:10 GMT
#2947
Poll: Your favorite player of the group stage

TheLittleOne (43)
 
36%

Tester (24)
 
20%

IdrA (20)
 
17%

qxc (14)
 
12%

WhiteRa (6)
 
5%

IntoTheRainbow (4)
 
3%

HuK (4)
 
3%

Dimaga (3)
 
3%

118 total votes

Your vote: Your favorite player of the group stage

(Vote): Dimaga
(Vote): qxc
(Vote): WhiteRa
(Vote): IntoTheRainbow
(Vote): IdrA
(Vote): Tester
(Vote): HuK
(Vote): TheLittleOne

Poll: Best match of the group stage

Tester vs TheLittleOne (37)
 
56%

Idra vs TheLittleOne (18)
 
27%

Dimaga vs White-rA (2)
 
3%

Huk vs Tester (2)
 
3%

Qxc vs IntoTheRainbow (2)
 
3%

Dimaga vs IntoTheRainbow (1)
 
2%

Huk vs TheLittleOne (1)
 
2%

Qxc vs White-rA (1)
 
2%

Idra vs Tester (1)
 
2%

White-rA vs IntoTheRainbow (1)
 
2%

Idra vs Huk (0)
 
0%

Qxc vs Dimaga (0)
 
0%

66 total votes

Your vote: Best match of the group stage

(Vote): Dimaga vs IntoTheRainbow
(Vote): Huk vs TheLittleOne
(Vote): Qxc vs White-rA
(Vote): Idra vs Tester
(Vote): Dimaga vs White-rA
(Vote): Idra vs Huk
(Vote): White-rA vs IntoTheRainbow
(Vote): Huk vs Tester
(Vote): Qxc vs Dimaga
(Vote): Tester vs TheLittleOne
(Vote): Qxc vs IntoTheRainbow
(Vote): Idra vs TheLittleOne

Poll: Best surprise of the group stage

qxc 2-0'ing Dimaga and ITR, after losing 0-2 to WhiteRa (47)
 
67%

IdrA advancing after losing his first 3 games (9)
 
13%

WhiteRa not advancing, after winning his first 3 games (4)
 
6%

ITR 4-0 Dimaga & WhiteRa, who dominated the Beta scene (3)
 
4%

Dimaga beating WhiteRa, after losing 0-2 his first match (2)
 
3%

HuK taking a game from each opponent, including Tester (2)
 
3%

TLO wild game with Tester, after a very short 1st one (2)
 
3%

Tester better match-wise than ITR, after worse start game-wise (1)
 
1%

70 total votes

Your vote: Best surprise of the group stage

(Vote): Dimaga beating WhiteRa, after losing 0-2 his first match
(Vote): qxc 2-0'ing Dimaga and ITR, after losing 0-2 to WhiteRa
(Vote): WhiteRa not advancing, after winning his first 3 games
(Vote): IdrA advancing after losing his first 3 games
(Vote): HuK taking a game from each opponent, including Tester
(Vote): TLO wild game with Tester, after a very short 1st one
(Vote): ITR 4-0 Dimaga & WhiteRa, who dominated the Beta scene
(Vote): Tester better match-wise than ITR, after worse start game-wise

Poll: Favorite unit usage

Tester - Pylons (21)
 
36%

IdrA - Ultras (17)
 
29%

qxc - Thor (10)
 
17%

TheLittleOne - Hellions (6)
 
10%

Dimaga - Banelings (3)
 
5%

WhiteRa - Void Rays (1)
 
2%

IntoTheRainbow - Marines (1)
 
2%

HuK - Stalkers (0)
 
0%

59 total votes

Your vote: Favorite unit usage

(Vote): qxc - Thor
(Vote): WhiteRa - Void Rays
(Vote): Dimaga - Banelings
(Vote): IntoTheRainbow - Marines
(Vote): HuK - Stalkers
(Vote): IdrA - Ultras
(Vote): TheLittleOne - Hellions
(Vote): Tester - Pylons

Poll: The Final

IdrA vs Tester (32)
 
47%

qxc vs Tester (20)
 
29%

IdrA vs IntoTheRainbow (11)
 
16%

qxc vs IntoTheRainbow (5)
 
7%

68 total votes

Your vote: The Final

(Vote): qxc vs Tester
(Vote): qxc vs IntoTheRainbow
(Vote): IdrA vs Tester
(Vote): IdrA vs IntoTheRainbow

If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
nemahsys
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada457 Posts
July 24 2010 21:11 GMT
#2948
On July 24 2010 23:44 Svizcy wrote:
I was really glad to see Idra performing well, despite that TLO is my favourite player. That counterattack was really magnificent.

I also hope that this will silence all the imba talk arround here. I think the game is really nicely balanced and when some custom maps will hit the scene it will only get better.

good day, svizcy


oh it wont silence the imba talk. people will just say TLO doesnt know how to play terran mech properly and that if he did he would have 2-0'd IdrA.
DJ Wheat, if you read this, plz get Lo3 back on itunes stat!
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
July 24 2010 21:32 GMT
#2949
hoping for:

Rainbow > Tester
QXC > IdrA

Rainbow > QXC (still cannot get over how easy QXC won last time) :O
Born)Slippy
Profile Joined October 2002
Norway1904 Posts
July 24 2010 21:36 GMT
#2950
Dear mr. Plott,

I recently finished an e-mail to Razer complimenting them warmly for sponsoring your (and, previously, Team Liquid's) tournament. Since I'm not a gamer anymore I won't buy their products, unfortunately, but at least it's something. You're next on my to-do-list. I wanted to thank you for your amazing commentary in live events, and thoughtful analysis in your Dailies. I admire your dedication and amazing skill in avoiding buying new glasses. I'm looking forward to the finals of your current tournament.

Best regards,

Ole
billyX333
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1360 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-24 21:42:46
July 24 2010 21:39 GMT
#2951
On July 25 2010 06:11 nemahsys wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2010 23:44 Svizcy wrote:
I was really glad to see Idra performing well, despite that TLO is my favourite player. That counterattack was really magnificent.

I also hope that this will silence all the imba talk arround here. I think the game is really nicely balanced and when some custom maps will hit the scene it will only get better.

good day, svizcy


oh it wont silence the imba talk. people will just say TLO doesnt know how to play terran mech properly and that if he did he would have 2-0'd IdrA.


because imbalance means the favored race should win every single game amiright

the matchup has officially been declared BALANCED because the worse player lost
discussion /over
CaptnIgnit
Profile Joined May 2010
United States192 Posts
July 24 2010 21:46 GMT
#2952
Anyone know of an email address to contact Razer at to tell them how awesome they are for sponsoring this?
Entropic
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2837 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-24 21:48:10
July 24 2010 21:47 GMT
#2953
Mods should really just ban all balance/imbalance talk in a TOURNAMENT THREAD

Anyways, rooting for Idra vs Tester finals, with Idra winning for AMERICA!

On July 25 2010 06:46 CaptnIgnit wrote:
Anyone know of an email address to contact Razer at to tell them how awesome they are for sponsoring this?


I think they'll appreciate it more if you bought their products =P
Ocedic
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1808 Posts
July 24 2010 21:49 GMT
#2954
http://www2.razerzone.com/l33t/index.php

Here maybe? Not sure. You can get Razer swag by writing a review on an online shopping site. But yeah, might be getting another Razer mouse to take on the go with my new laptop.
brain_
Profile Joined June 2010
United States812 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-24 22:02:49
July 24 2010 21:58 GMT
#2955
On July 25 2010 01:17 RinconH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2010 22:43 Kaboo wrote:
On July 24 2010 21:39 Mios wrote:
On July 24 2010 19:59 Numy wrote:
I still don't get why people classify Idra as US/West. He plays in Asia, he goes through same practice schedule, plays on the Asia server. So he's basically "Korean" since everyone knows your actual nationality has no effect on your performance.


genetics have a (small, but significant) factor in the strengths and weaknesses of different ethnicities, its not purely environment and culture


Can you give an example of sports where racial(asian/caucasian and such) genetics play a part? not including body size ofc


LOL. Basketball perhaps? American Football?



You're not getting it. He said "not including body size". Isn't there a Chinese player who played basketball in the NBA? Basketball is about skill and height/size.

Though Asian people are generally smaller, the rare ones who are truly huge (slightly more rare than truly huge people in the west) will do just as well. There is no genetic basketball deficiency in Asians. They just don't like basketball culturally, so they don't play it.

Obviously sports that demand freakish physical characteristics are going to favor one race or another. But e-sports completely circumvents physical requirements.

Saying that certain races make individuals of that race better or worse at things is simply racist. The flipside of saying "people with Korean genes are better at Starcraft" would make racist statements like "black people are genetically stupid" logically valid. The truth is that culture and individual skill/talent make the difference, not your genes. Korean players come from a culture that accepts and encourages Starcraft, and especially a "social" Starcraft atmosphere where players discuss and improve strategies and styles IN PERSON. Western hardcore/competitive gamers are still "underground", rarely associate IRL, and are more or less frowned upon by mainstream society.
JayDee_
Profile Joined June 2010
548 Posts
July 24 2010 22:02 GMT
#2956
Tester is obviously the clear favorite. He is miles ahead of the competition atm.
Odoakar
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia1837 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-24 22:27:52
July 24 2010 22:14 GMT
#2957
On July 25 2010 06:58 brain_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 01:17 RinconH wrote:
On July 24 2010 22:43 Kaboo wrote:
On July 24 2010 21:39 Mios wrote:
On July 24 2010 19:59 Numy wrote:
I still don't get why people classify Idra as US/West. He plays in Asia, he goes through same practice schedule, plays on the Asia server. So he's basically "Korean" since everyone knows your actual nationality has no effect on your performance.


genetics have a (small, but significant) factor in the strengths and weaknesses of different ethnicities, its not purely environment and culture


Can you give an example of sports where racial(asian/caucasian and such) genetics play a part? not including body size ofc


LOL. Basketball perhaps? American Football?



You're not getting it. He said "not including body size". Isn't there a Chinese player who played basketball in the NBA? Basketball is about skill and height/size.

Though Asian people are generally smaller, the rare ones who are truly huge (slightly more rare than truly huge people in the west) will do just as well. There is no genetic basketball deficiency in Asians. They just don't like basketball culturally, so they don't play it.

Obviously sports that demand freakish physical characteristics are going to favor one race or another. But e-sports completely circumvents physical requirements.

Saying that certain races make individuals of that race better or worse at things is simply racist. The flipside of saying "people with Korean genes are better at Starcraft" would make racist statements like "black people are genetically stupid" logically valid. The truth is that culture and individual skill/talent make the difference, not your genes. Korean players come from a culture that accepts and encourages Starcraft, and especially a "social" Starcraft atmosphere where players discuss and improve strategies and styles IN PERSON. Western hardcore/competitive gamers are still "underground", rarely associate IRL, and are more or less frowned upon by mainstream society.



I'm pretty sure black athletes naturally have more stamina and better muscular system. There are indeed Chinese basketball players, but they will never be able to compete with black skinned basketball players. What you are saying is that there are a few people in a selected group of people that would be good at some given sport, which doesn't validate your claim that it's not about genes. Why are all marathon races and sprint races dominated by black athletes?


But this is going off topic, with TLO out, I'm rooting for Tester.
Three
Profile Joined April 2010
Japan278 Posts
July 24 2010 22:18 GMT
#2958
So the finals are going to be done on LAN?
Apolo
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal1259 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-24 22:31:12
July 24 2010 22:30 GMT
#2959
On July 25 2010 06:58 brain_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 01:17 RinconH wrote:
On July 24 2010 22:43 Kaboo wrote:
On July 24 2010 21:39 Mios wrote:
On July 24 2010 19:59 Numy wrote:
I still don't get why people classify Idra as US/West. He plays in Asia, he goes through same practice schedule, plays on the Asia server. So he's basically "Korean" since everyone knows your actual nationality has no effect on your performance.


genetics have a (small, but significant) factor in the strengths and weaknesses of different ethnicities, its not purely environment and culture


Can you give an example of sports where racial(asian/caucasian and such) genetics play a part? not including body size ofc


LOL. Basketball perhaps? American Football?



You're not getting it. He said "not including body size". Isn't there a Chinese player who played basketball in the NBA? Basketball is about skill and height/size.

Though Asian people are generally smaller, the rare ones who are truly huge (slightly more rare than truly huge people in the west) will do just as well. There is no genetic basketball deficiency in Asians. They just don't like basketball culturally, so they don't play it.

Obviously sports that demand freakish physical characteristics are going to favor one race or another. But e-sports completely circumvents physical requirements.

Saying that certain races make individuals of that race better or worse at things is simply racist. The flipside of saying "people with Korean genes are better at Starcraft" would make racist statements like "black people are genetically stupid" logically valid. The truth is that culture and individual skill/talent make the difference, not your genes. Korean players come from a culture that accepts and encourages Starcraft, and especially a "social" Starcraft atmosphere where players discuss and improve strategies and styles IN PERSON. Western hardcore/competitive gamers are still "underground", rarely associate IRL, and are more or less frowned upon by mainstream society.


Tell that to Michael Phelps who has a perfect body for swimming. Big feet, long torso, big hands and small legs. I don't believe it's being racist but realist. Would it be sexist to say men generally are better at sports than women? No, because it's true...
roflcopter420
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden168 Posts
July 24 2010 22:34 GMT
#2960
On July 25 2010 07:14 Odoakar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 06:58 brain_ wrote:
On July 25 2010 01:17 RinconH wrote:
On July 24 2010 22:43 Kaboo wrote:
On July 24 2010 21:39 Mios wrote:
On July 24 2010 19:59 Numy wrote:
I still don't get why people classify Idra as US/West. He plays in Asia, he goes through same practice schedule, plays on the Asia server. So he's basically "Korean" since everyone knows your actual nationality has no effect on your performance.


genetics have a (small, but significant) factor in the strengths and weaknesses of different ethnicities, its not purely environment and culture


Can you give an example of sports where racial(asian/caucasian and such) genetics play a part? not including body size ofc


LOL. Basketball perhaps? American Football?



You're not getting it. He said "not including body size". Isn't there a Chinese player who played basketball in the NBA? Basketball is about skill and height/size.

Though Asian people are generally smaller, the rare ones who are truly huge (slightly more rare than truly huge people in the west) will do just as well. There is no genetic basketball deficiency in Asians. They just don't like basketball culturally, so they don't play it.

Obviously sports that demand freakish physical characteristics are going to favor one race or another. But e-sports completely circumvents physical requirements.

Saying that certain races make individuals of that race better or worse at things is simply racist. The flipside of saying "people with Korean genes are better at Starcraft" would make racist statements like "black people are genetically stupid" logically valid. The truth is that culture and individual skill/talent make the difference, not your genes. Korean players come from a culture that accepts and encourages Starcraft, and especially a "social" Starcraft atmosphere where players discuss and improve strategies and styles IN PERSON. Western hardcore/competitive gamers are still "underground", rarely associate IRL, and are more or less frowned upon by mainstream society.



I'm pretty sure black athletes naturally have more stamina and better muscular system. There are indeed Chinese basketball players, but they will never be able to compete with black skinned basketball players. What you are saying is that there are a few people in a selected group of people that would be good at some given sport, which doesn't validate your claim that it's not about genes. Why are all marathon races and sprint races dominated by black athletes?


But this is going off topic, with TLO out, I'm rooting for Tester.


That's actually true, while lighter skinned people are more empathic and intelligent. I think it is a fair trade off.
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