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{ToT}ColmA
Japan3260 Posts
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brain_
United States812 Posts
On July 25 2010 07:34 roflcopter420 wrote: That's actually true, while lighter skinned people are more empathic and intelligent. I think it is a fair trade off. Derp. Racism. Derp. Remember when I said that "___ are better at ___" is along the same logical lines as "blacks are genetically stupid"? Thanks for bringing that out in the open. Physical attributes can make you better at a sport, but the color of your skin does not factor into it. A black man with Michael Phelp's body (and identical training/etc) would perform exactly the same. There are biomechanical tradeoffs due to different bodytypes, but beneath the skin we're all the same. This is all beside the point anyway- physical attributes don't matter in esports, so race doesn't even factor into it. On July 25 2010 07:30 Duelist wrote: Tell that to Michael Phelps who has a perfect body for swimming. Big feet, long torso, big hands and small legs. I don't believe it's being racist but realist. Would it be sexist to say men generally are better at sports than women? No, because it's true... Technically it is sexist. A woman might be just as skilled at a sport as a man, but a man's strength lets him do accomplish more with the same level of skill. Technically that doesn't make the man better at the sport, it makes him BUILT better for the sport. Personally I think that most male athletes are usually more skilled than their female counterparts, but logically the example I mentioned could exist. You guys just don't get what I'm saying. Of COURSE bodytypes and physical characteristics factor into your success at a sport. And some races might be more likely to have certain characteristics (height, etc), and thus be better ON AVERAGE at a sport. But it is the physical characteristics, not the color of their skin, that makes the difference. The example of the Chinese basketball player is a good one - although Chinese people are normally too short for the NBA, when they DO get a tall player, he is able to keep up just fine, because color is the only difference once height has been eliminated. And color don't count for shit. TL;DR: If you think the color of your skin affects your skill at Starcraft, you're racist. Koreans do better because their culture is supportive of Starcraft players. | ||
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HubertFelix
France631 Posts
 Just watched Qxc games. This was fast but very entertaining. | ||
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LaLuSh
Sweden2358 Posts
On July 25 2010 06:11 nemahsys wrote: oh it wont silence the imba talk. people will just say TLO doesnt know how to play terran mech properly and that if he did he would have 2-0'd IdrA. He doesn't. He was on the verge of transitioning into battlecruisers (again) while at the same time thinking it a good idea to make a game ending push on cross positions. Mind you he almost succeeded anyway. Had he just spent those extra minerals and gas on tanks he would have wiped out idra's army easily. Instead he left 2 unfinished starports (SCVs building them were killed by idra's mutas) untouched for 3-4 minutes while pushing, and at the same time he started a CC for a third base. The height of terran greediness. They think they can do it all simultaneously, and still get away with it. What's more remarkable, is that he almost killed Idra despite being so utterly greedy and investing so little in the cross position push. A mid game push should involve some level of commitment. Rather ridiculous to think a terran feels comfortable enough to do a cross position push while putting down a 3rd CC, while putting down 2 starports and planning to switch to BCs. That's cocky, and greedy. And what's more scary: had it not been cross positions, it even would have worked... | ||
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Ocedic
United States1808 Posts
Every major tournament thread has degenerated into people crying about balance, and now apparently real life racial 'balance' discussion. I came here to read about the TOURNAMENT and the PLAYERS, not your incompetent failures at playing your own race. | ||
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Entropic
Canada2837 Posts
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phungus420
United States179 Posts
On July 25 2010 07:57 LaLuSh wrote: He doesn't. He was on the verge of transitioning into battlecruisers (again) while at the same time thinking it a good idea to make a game ending push on cross positions. Mind you he almost succeeded anyway. Had he just spent those extra minerals and gas on tanks he would have wiped out idra's army easily. Instead he left 2 unfinished starports (SCVs building them were killed by idra's mutas) untouched for 3-4 minutes while pushing, and at the same time he started a CC for a third base. The height of terran greediness. They think they can do it all simultaneously, and still get away with it. What's more remarkable, is that he almost killed Idra despite being so utterly greedy and investing so little in the cross position push. A mid game push should involve some level of commitment. Rather ridiculous to think a terran feels comfortable enough to do a cross position push while putting down a 3rd CC, while putting down 2 starports and planning to switch to BCs. That's cocky, and greedy. And what's more scary: had it not been cross positions, it even would have worked... This ignores the fact TLO had decimated idrA's drone and zergling count. When you succede as well as TLO did in early harrassment, you should make some greedy moves to leverage your advantage. It was a mistake to leave those unfinished starports though; you're tottally right if TLO had just gotten a couple more tanks the game would have been very different. But idrA played brilliantly there, there's no denying it, and really all your critisisms are more examples of hindsight being 20/20 rather then what I would consider mistakes on TLOs part. | ||
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SkyTheUnknown
Germany2065 Posts
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Drunken.Jedi
Germany446 Posts
On July 25 2010 07:47 brain_ wrote: Technically it is sexist. A woman might be just as skilled at a sport as a man, but a man's strength lets him do accomplish more with the same level of skill. Technically that doesn't make the man better at the sport, it makes him BUILT better for the sport. Personally I think that most male athletes are usually more skilled than their female counterparts, but logically the example I mentioned could exist. He is better built for the sport and therefore he is better and that means he is better. End of story. You guys just don't get what I'm saying. Of COURSE bodytypes and physical characteristics factor into your success at a sport. And some races might be more likely to have certain characteristics (height, etc), and thus be better ON AVERAGE at a sport. But it is the physical characteristics, not the color of their skin, that makes the difference. The example of the Chinese basketball player is a good one - although Chinese people are normally too short for the NBA, when they DO get a tall player, he is able to keep up just fine, because color is the only difference once height has been eliminated. And color don't count for shit. TL;DR: If you think the color of your skin affects your skill at Starcraft, you're racist. Koreans do better because their culture is supportive of Starcraft players. You seem to be under the illusion that race is only and exclusively defined by skin colour. It may be the most visible difference between the different human races, but it is far from the only one. The fact that Blacks are more likely to be well built for playing Basketball than Asians, is part of the racial differences. You can't just define that away and pretend that race is irrelevant. And please quit the strawman attacks. No one is claiming that every single Black athlete is superior to every single Chinese athlete. | ||
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brain_
United States812 Posts
On July 25 2010 07:57 LaLuSh wrote: He doesn't. He was on the verge of transitioning into battlecruisers (again) while at the same time thinking it a good idea to make a game ending push on cross positions. Mind you he almost succeeded anyway. Had he just spent those extra minerals and gas on tanks he would have wiped out idra's army easily. Instead he left 2 unfinished starports (SCVs building them were killed by idra's mutas) untouched for 3-4 minutes while pushing, and at the same time he started a CC for a third base. The height of terran greediness. They think they can do it all simultaneously, and still get away with it. What's more remarkable, is that he almost killed Idra despite being so utterly greedy and investing so little in the cross position push. A mid game push should involve some level of commitment. Rather ridiculous to think a terran feels comfortable enough to do a cross position push while putting down a 3rd CC, while putting down 2 starports and planning to switch to BCs. That's cocky, and greedy. And what's more scary: had it not been cross positions, it even would have worked... Spot on. People see these razor-thin games and say "SEE!? TERRAN ISN'T OP!"... But then consider that if the game were balanced, they wouldn't have been anywhere near razor-thin... Terran would have lost overwhelmingly instead of slightly. | ||
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question
Czech Republic509 Posts
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Bona Fide
United States70 Posts
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NonFactor
Sweden698 Posts
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brain_
United States812 Posts
On July 25 2010 08:09 Drunken.Jedi wrote: He is better built for the sport and therefore he is better and that means he is better. End of story. You seem to be under the illusion that race is only and exclusively defined by skin colour. It may be the most visible difference between the different human races, but it is far from the only one. The fact that Blacks are more likely to be well built for playing Basketball than Asians, is part of the racial differences. You can't just define that away and pretend that race is irrelevant. And please quit the strawman attacks. No one is claiming that every single Black athlete is superior to every single Chinese athlete. That wasn't a strawman, it is a fact. The statement that "black people are better than Chinese people at basketball ON AVERAGE" is undoubtedly true, largely due to physical characteristics. But the statement that "black people are better at basketball than Chinese people" isn't entirely true. It is the overall difference in physical characteristics, not the blackness itself, that makes them better (on average) at basketball. When you get a Chinese person with physical attributes that are favorable for basketball, he plays just as well as black people who have those same physical attributes. It is a minor point but an extremely important one. The fact that earlier in this thread somebody more or less said "whites are smarter than blacks but blacks are better at sports" shows just how crucial that distinction is. People keep jumping into this discussion halfway and picking on the weakest-seeming point of a particular post. I understand everything you're saying, and what everyone has said on the subject. If you read my posts and looked at the subtle nature of what I'm trying to prove, you would understand that.... But instead people jump in looking for a few e-peen points. And we end up with a multi-page racism discussion in a tournament thread. | ||
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zak
Korea (South)1009 Posts
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Eschaton
United States1245 Posts
On July 25 2010 07:34 roflcopter420 wrote: That's actually true, while lighter skinned people are more empathic and intelligent. I think it is a fair trade off. Er... what? This is full of sarcasm that I'm just having a hard time detecting, right? | ||
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BaaL`
297 Posts
On July 25 2010 08:16 Bona Fide wrote: So how were the Final Four matchups decided? Group A 1st vs. Group B 2nd, and vice versa? Or Group A 1st vs. 2nd, and same for Group B? 1st of group A vs 2nd of group B. That is, ITR vs Tester and IdrA vs Qxc. | ||
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stroggos
New Zealand1543 Posts
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Goobus
Hong Kong587 Posts
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Macavity
United States83 Posts
On July 25 2010 08:01 Ocedic wrote: Did the influx of WoW players into the StarCraft scene turn everyone into whiny little bitches or did posters cry about balance so much in Brood War? Every major tournament thread has degenerated into people crying about balance, and now apparently real life racial 'balance' discussion. I came here to read about the TOURNAMENT and the PLAYERS, not your incompetent failures at playing your own race. Whining about percieved 'whining' should be bannable. Such a post adds nothing to the discussion. The only reason why there is more angst on the forum than usual is because of the dry period between beta and full release. Once the game comes out, people will be playing more and posting less. Just be patient. | ||
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