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theDragoon
Canada307 Posts
well played by idra, i would have been raging and lost focus if i lost as much lings and drones as he did. kudos to idra for staying in focus and defending that attack so well. grats to qxc for the 2-0 vs ITR. i don't think anybody expected that, most people probably pegged him as being last in his group. | ||
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schneider_pox
Philippines4 Posts
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Demi9OD
United States56 Posts
On July 25 2010 12:18 nayumi wrote: is http://day9tv.blip.tv not working for anyone? Game 2/3 TLO vs Tester was not allowing me to fast forward, it would just black screen. I downloaded it and played with Media Player Classic Home Cinema and all was well. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
Looks like the T Ground army is as easy to rebuild as it was in SCI :-\ | ||
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Tempora
United States78 Posts
On July 25 2010 13:02 Antisocialmunky wrote: Congrats to Idra on game 3, well played. Looks like the T Ground army is as easy to rebuild as it was in SCI :-\ T is slightly overpowered Protoss is balanced, may need a few itty bitty tweaks Zerg neeeeeedddssss soooomeeeee friiigggiinnnn buuuuffffsss.... its annoying. i dont even use zerg in SC2 and i know that they need buffs. its too easy for me to manipulate their build order... force them to get too many of one unit and build the hard counter etc... admittedly, i havent played idra. or dimaga... so idk, could just be that i never played any too many threatening zergs... but still. its way too easy for a terran to pull like eight different OP strategies and win, even if their macro isnt as good as mine or if our micro is even. seriously. i hope when the release comes, terran isnt the godrace that it seems to be. btw. i main protoss. if anybody wants to argue with my post by saying that 4 warpgate rush is blah blah blah, jsut know that i already agree with you and you dont have to waste time convincing me of something i already know. | ||
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Narayan
Canada80 Posts
On July 25 2010 12:18 nayumi wrote: is http://day9tv.blip.tv not working for anyone? works for me using chrome | ||
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Jermstuddog
United States2231 Posts
The counter arguments are astounding though... Idra is hands down the best Z I've seen all beta. TLO might be creative and innovative and all that jazz, not to knock him, he really is, but at the end of the tourney he will go down as a T player who employs very unorthodox strategies, nothing more. He has definitely shown that he can click with the rest of the pros, but he hasn't shown insane, game-changing micro (again he micros much better than me) or even well-polished timing attacks. Looking at game 3, you can easily see that had he gone the laymans route and just gone straight for thors instead of gearing up for a transition to air, he would be able to push about 2 min earlier and idra could do nothing to stop him. "Well that's just because he did good harass with his helions early in the game" That's one of the biggest offending units in mech play and I never see enough complaints about them. 3 minutes into the game, T has a unit that runs as fast as upgraded lings (this is faster than Z can get upgraded lings), deals massive damage to both lings and drones, and is hard to not get their investment back on even in the hands of a 100 APM silver player. In the end, what determined that game was TLO looked at his units, knew he had the game in the bag, and almost broke idra, even with his terrible timing, positioning, and passive factors taken into consideration. If TLO had the "I'm gonna win in 10 min or less" mentality, that game would have been over 5 min sooner, and TLO would be moving on to semis. Anyway, I hope idra beats tester just so we all get to see how utterly defenseless Z is vs standard, solid, well-timed mech play. | ||
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torm
Canada274 Posts
On July 25 2010 14:13 Jermstuddog wrote: Anyway, I hope idra beats tester just so we all get to see how utterly defenseless Z is vs standard, solid, well-timed mech play. Its going to be idra vs qxc in semifinals, so you'll be able to see "solid, well-timed mech play" .. unless what you meant to say was that ITR beats tester and idra beats qxc. | ||
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FindingPride
United States1001 Posts
On July 25 2010 14:13 Jermstuddog wrote: I knew people would be trying to point to TLO vs Idra talking about non-imba T soon enough... The counter arguments are astounding though... Idra is hands down the best Z I've seen all beta. TLO might be creative and innovative and all that jazz, not to knock him, he really is, but at the end of the tourney he will go down as a T player who employs very unorthodox strategies, nothing more. He has definitely shown that he can click with the rest of the pros, but he hasn't shown insane, game-changing micro (again he micros much better than me) or even well-polished timing attacks. Looking at game 3, you can easily see that had he gone the laymans route and just gone straight for thors instead of gearing up for a transition to air, he would be able to push about 2 min earlier and idra could do nothing to stop him. "Well that's just because he did good harass with his helions early in the game" That's one of the biggest offending units in mech play and I never see enough complaints about them. 3 minutes into the game, T has a unit that runs as fast as upgraded lings (this is faster than Z can get upgraded lings), deals massive damage to both lings and drones, and is hard to not get their investment back on even in the hands of a 100 APM silver player. In the end, what determined that game was TLO looked at his units, knew he had the game in the bag, and almost broke idra, even with his terrible timing, positioning, and passive factors taken into consideration. If TLO had the "I'm gonna win in 10 min or less" mentality, that game would have been over 5 min sooner, and TLO would be moving on to semis. Anyway, I hope idra beats tester just so we all get to see how utterly defenseless Z is vs standard, solid, well-timed mech play. if we played the what ifs game Flash should officially never lose. But we're all human... I doubt we would see another game where idra is losing that many drones to hellions too. | ||
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Jermstuddog
United States2231 Posts
On July 25 2010 14:29 torm wrote: Its going to be idra vs qxc in semifinals, so you'll be able to see "solid, well-timed mech play" .. unless what you meant to say was that ITR beats tester and idra beats qxc. No, you're right, I forgot semis were gonna be korea vs self. Idra won't make it past qxc. Would have to be qxc playing blindfolded with one hand tied behind his back for idra to pull a win vs an aggressive T. | ||
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Piski
Finland3461 Posts
100 APM silver player. Now that I would want to see Would have to be qxc playing blindfolded with one hand tied behind his back for idra to pull a win vs an aggressive T. Don't count IdrA out just yet. He knows QXC playstyle so if he modified his beginning and had actually time to prepare I don't see why he couldn't win. There is an agressive Terran and there is over-agressive Terran. | ||
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
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LuCiD37
United States150 Posts
On July 25 2010 14:41 Jermstuddog wrote: No, you're right, I forgot semis were gonna be korea vs self. Idra won't make it past qxc. Would have to be qxc playing blindfolded with one hand tied behind his back for idra to pull a win vs an aggressive T. That's silly. Unless IdrA loses to Qxc's early game business then we are going to see IdrA lay down the smack down. IdrA is just a better player. If it goes into being a macro game and IdrA doesn't mess up- then I think IdrA is going to take qxc 2-0. | ||
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
On July 25 2010 14:41 Jermstuddog wrote: No, you're right, I forgot semis were gonna be korea vs self. Idra won't make it past qxc. Would have to be qxc playing blindfolded with one hand tied behind his back for idra to pull a win vs an aggressive T. lol, ur implying TLO is NOT an aggressive Terran? | ||
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torm
Canada274 Posts
On July 25 2010 15:06 Subversion wrote: I think everyone who said 12 second NP wasn't much of a nerf needs to watch IdrA v TLO. idra used his NPs with the mindset that NPs were infinite. If he simply moved those BCs on top of his hydras (instead of letting them chase TLO's BCs) you would see that (at least in that case) it wasn't really so bad. | ||
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Jermstuddog
United States2231 Posts
On July 25 2010 15:18 Subversion wrote: lol, ur implying TLO is NOT an aggressive Terran? Not in that oh-so-critical early-mid transition period for tvz he's not. He did great harass in all 3 games vs idra, and his bcs in game 2 were annoyingly omnipresent. But during that 8-10 minute window while Idra is still trying to get his econ going and stuck with ling/bling/roach for army comp, he sat back in his base and set up starports in all 3 games. The current situation of TvZ just favors a big push by T at that point in the game too much and TLO seems to like passively riding his way into mid game where he can open up with his WTF strats. I guess the difference would be between aggressive harassment, which TLO did plenty of, and aggressively pushing, which he didn't do much in any of the 3. | ||
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Jermstuddog
United States2231 Posts
On July 25 2010 15:10 LuCiD37 wrote: That's silly. Unless IdrA loses to Qxc's early game business then we are going to see IdrA lay down the smack down. IdrA is just a better player. If it goes into being a macro game and IdrA doesn't mess up- then I think IdrA is going to take qxc 2-0. This is precisely my point though. The current situation of TvZ its a huge struggle for Z to even make it to mid game. Idras macro is plenty insane, I could see him just burying anybody in massive amounts of lings, roaches, and hydras. The only problem with his strat is he plays zerg and has to magically make it to that 11 min point with 1.5drones per SCV. Otherwise, the game is already over... | ||
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kzn
United States1218 Posts
I was high silver with 90-100apm for a couple weeks in Phase 1. | ||
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Williowa
129 Posts
On July 25 2010 15:06 Subversion wrote: I think everyone who said 12 second NP wasn't much of a nerf needs to watch IdrA v TLO. Knowing how 1 BC can kill 5 hydras, and mutas aren't very strong, queens aren't very strong, and that leaves corrupters. It really sucks that with a 12 NP there is really only one option where you don't have to be out macroing the terran player 2 to 1. 12 second NP....who didn't think that would be a huge swat with the nerf bat? | ||
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brain_
United States812 Posts
On July 25 2010 15:56 Williowa wrote: Knowing how 1 BC can kill 5 hydras, and mutas aren't very strong, queens aren't very strong, and that leaves corrupters. It really sucks that with a 12 NP there is really only one option where you don't have to be out macroing the terran player 2 to 1. 12 second NP....who didn't think that would be a huge swat with the nerf bat? The same tardnuggets who don't think T is too strong? | ||
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