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petev1975
United States7 Posts
Game 3 TLO vs. Idra. TLO for some reason decides to take to fight into Idra's base. That was bad enough, but he decides to go all out right in between Idra's two main ramps. Idra could reinforce his Roaches easily between those two ramps. On top of that bad decision, TLO took a bunch of his SCVs off mining which meant his economy could not possibly catch up to Idra's. One bad thing about TLO is that he has no plan B. If his "creativity" doesn't work, it is GG for him. | ||
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Izzachar
Sweden285 Posts
On July 25 2010 23:30 EnderCN wrote: Which is why it was nerfed because that would be overpowered, the ability isn't meant to be able to kill off half the enemy army and then kill the other half at your leisure. Just because they are pros doesn't mean they are perfect. IdrA could have done a lot more damage with those NP than he did and the ability is still very viable at 12 seconds. I know I was screaming at the screen to kill the NP BCs too. Same here I was like "IdrAAAAAAAAaaa what are you doing!?!?!?!?" He could have killed of so many more BCs at the first attack if he had done it differently. And second time it was almost even more of a screw up as the NPed BCs just sat there and IdrA did nothing to kill them. Good games anyway. | ||
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iEchoic
United States1776 Posts
On July 26 2010 00:16 petev1975 wrote: I love TLO, but his "creativity" sometimes blinds you to his silly plays. Game 3 TLO vs. Idra. TLO for some reason decides to take to fight into Idra's base. That was bad enough, but he decides to go all out right in between Idra's two main ramps. Idra could reinforce his Roaches easily between those two ramps. On top of that bad decision, TLO took a bunch of his SCVs off mining which meant his economy could not possibly catch up to Idra's. One bad thing about TLO is that he has no plan B. If his "creativity" doesn't work, it is GG for him. TLO wasn't being creative at all that game - this is a really weird example of 'creativity' to use. TLO did a very standard (and well-executed) mech push that game. He actually won the game he was being most creative in (although I was screaming at him to get yamato and hit the infestors with it). | ||
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Hider
Denmark9433 Posts
Not cancelling the startports isn't that big of a deal, as 1) If he failed, it was basically a gg. 2) If the battle was close, and no was decided, he could continue buildign the starports. 3) If he won the battle, the cancelled starports wouldn't help much, as there is a big delay between when he could benefit from those extra minerals/gas, since he probably did not have enough factories do produce any more tanks. So really there was not much else TLO could do. Cross positions on this map is just extremely difficult for terran. | ||
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Ndugu
United States1078 Posts
On July 26 2010 02:46 iEchoic wrote: TLO wasn't being creative at all that game - this is a really weird example of 'creativity' to use. TLO did a very standard (and well-executed) mech push that game. He actually won the game he was being most creative in (although I was screaming at him to get yamato and hit the infestors with it). Zerg player can use yamato once the BCs are NPed. NP also casts faster than yamato. I was thinking that whole game that NOT getting yamato (unless corrupters pop) was a good decision. Although range 10 versus range 9 might make it work =/ | ||
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dekuschrub
United States2069 Posts
TLO did a half assed all in push (with more thors than tanks?) when he had already invested in 2 starports, 2 armories (with +2 not done) and a 3rd base he hadnt used yet. The only reason the push was close at all was because tlo did so much damage early on, and even then Idra won like 2 minutes after the push failed. basically it was a nice job idra for keeping his cool, and questionable decisions by tlo | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On July 26 2010 02:46 iEchoic wrote: TLO wasn't being creative at all that game - this is a really weird example of 'creativity' to use. TLO did a very standard (and well-executed) mech push that game. He actually won the game he was being most creative in (although I was screaming at him to get yamato and hit the infestors with it). Getting yamato vs infestors is very bad! It basically lets an infested BC hugely damage another one of your BCs... Just let the infestation wear off or kill the infestor, much better than researching yamato and risking him actually killing stuff  EDIT: Blah thought I was safe to reply with so few posts left on this page, but someone beat to me to it | ||
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stalife
Canada1222 Posts
He did have lots of army, which I thought would kill Idra at the point.. but looking back at the game, he could have pushed out with that army at least a minute faster. I thought he needed to add more factories or something, or just turtle if he was going to make another CC .  I was rooting for TLO | ||
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Glaurung
United States22 Posts
Group A: Dimaga vs White-rA about the match between IdrA and Huk. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
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Surrealz
United States449 Posts
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On July 26 2010 07:23 Surrealz wrote: I am shocked that QXC is in the finals and white-ra is not. Perhaps it was White-Ra's lack of play in phase 2, but still, I feel like whitera is a whole tier above qxc.. Qxc reallly suprised me this game. I've said this before, but I really believe it: I think QXC is the future of SC2. Do you see his micro? He's livening things up in ways unbelieved. Dang, I can't believe it, I'm actually becoming a true fan of someone haha. | ||
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iEchoic
United States1776 Posts
On July 26 2010 06:11 Ndugu wrote: Zerg player can use yamato once the BCs are NPed. NP also casts faster than yamato. I was thinking that whole game that NOT getting yamato (unless corrupters pop) was a good decision. Although range 10 versus range 9 might make it work =/ On July 26 2010 06:27 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Just let the infestation wear off or kill the infestor, much better than researching yamato and risking him actually killing stuff True, and good point, although I'm still thinking yamato would be worth it. Had idra attacked the NPed BCs, TLO would have lost 3 BCs every single fight while doing almost no damage. I think we're biased towards letting the NP wear off w/o yamato because it worked out okay in this one (flawed) situation. Had TLO been able to yamato the infestors controlling his BCs (and eat a few yamatos back) I think it would have been better than if had idra actually attacked the NPed BCs. What if TLO started all the Yamatos before control of the BCs transferred to idrA (given the +1 range and delay in the mind-control thing reaching the BC)? Would the energy be wasted and the shot not fired, would the shot be fired anyway, or would it cancel and refund energy? Actually a good question, anyone test this before? | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
Now people are arguing whether or not to research yamato cannon when battle cruiser rushing in TvZ. And it's still the BETA. Holy shit. | ||
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thesage42
Sweden13 Posts
Seems like I'm gonna need a lot of caffeine.  | ||
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Karliath
United States2214 Posts
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
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Backpack
United States1776 Posts
On July 26 2010 07:23 Surrealz wrote: I feel like whitera is a whole tier above qxc.. He was in the past, but who says QXC can't rise up and above? | ||
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Juaks
United States384 Posts
On July 26 2010 07:57 Slayer91 wrote: Remember when everyone was complaining that nobody uses Carriers Motherships or Battlecruisers? That SC2 lacked depth? Now people are arguing whether or not to research yamato cannon when battle cruiser rushing in TvZ. And it's still the BETA. Holy shit. WORD!! SC2 has an impressive untapped potential of deep strategy and I love that. I am eager to see how actual strategies will evolve and new ones in 1 or months after 1 or 2 more patches. | ||
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HaVoX
Canada61 Posts
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