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aznagent
Profile Joined May 2010
Hong Kong166 Posts
May 20 2010 09:24 GMT
#5001
Ahhh Can't wait for this! It's near my birthday too, gonna be so epic! Whitera fan here!
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Rokrdude
Profile Joined April 2010
India42 Posts
May 20 2010 09:39 GMT
#5002
On May 20 2010 12:49 Getz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2010 12:31 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
On May 20 2010 11:29 HDstarcraft wrote:
On May 20 2010 10:53 Gatsbi wrote:


How dare I hold them to their word huh. If I had a choice I wouldn't watch their FREE services, in fact I would probably PAY for better service, but the fact of the matter is I have NO other option to watch this tournament. Don't think that because a service is free that it should be half-assed.. they would still benefit from running the tournament more smoothly even though it is free (recognition, future tournament sponsorships etc...)


Hey Gatsbi,
How could we improve the way we ran this tournament through this thread in order to better suit your expectations? We're always looking to improve, so all constructive criticism is always read and welcome.



For the record, I only take constructive feedback from people who are not sarcastic passive aggressive self-centered trolls.



Would really like to see future tournaments take less time to be completed.
Taking this many weeks to finish one tournament is a bit much.

Other than that, I really enjoy the games and the commentary.
Keep up the good work.



I agree less time should be taken to complete the tournament

Secondly,vods should be released a little sooner at max 6-8 hrs after livestream

Other than that can't wait for finals and 3rd 4th place off match
and hopefully hdh invitational 2 with much more players
kmac
Profile Joined May 2010
8 Posts
May 20 2010 09:44 GMT
#5003
On May 20 2010 17:26 HDstarcraft wrote:
Conversion is 1pm PST, 4pm EST, 10pm CET, Sunday May 23rd


I think you mean Saturday, May 22nd (or you mean that the cast is 5 AM Monday, Korea time).

Also, I think you mean PDT and EDT (I think that has been confusing in the past).
HDstarcraft
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States577 Posts
May 20 2010 11:11 GMT
#5004
On May 20 2010 18:44 kmac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2010 17:26 HDstarcraft wrote:
Conversion is 1pm PST, 4pm EST, 10pm CET, Sunday May 23rd


I think you mean Saturday, May 22nd (or you mean that the cast is 5 AM Monday, Korea time).

Also, I think you mean PDT and EDT (I think that has been confusing in the past).



It is set for Sunday, and yes I should be using PDT and EDT
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Seltsam
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States343 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-20 11:49:40
May 20 2010 11:47 GMT
#5005
On May 20 2010 12:23 Forceon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2010 11:29 HDstarcraft wrote:

Hey Gatsbi,
How could we improve the way we ran this tournament through this thread in order to better suit your expectations? We're always looking to improve, so all constructive criticism is always read and welcome.


IMO you guys should organize the schedule of the whole tournament in advance, and post it to the public. At least when the live streams are going to be held. I think that shows a lot of commitment from your part as well as professionalism.

The tournament is awesome by the way HD, thx for the hard work.



I agree. There is a lot of praise going to iRip for supposedly making esports bigger in the west, and that probably is at least a little bit true. However, if esports is going to be bigger, it needs to be taken more seriously. I think that this whole "hey, guys, what is a good time for you?" thing that's going on is pretty unprofessional. I get that people are available at different times, there are time differences, etc., but esports fans need to be the ones to take the initiative and really get into it hardcore. If that doesn't happen, it will never be respected by a larger audience. If the tournament were scheduled well in advance (by say, 4-6 weeks), and the times of the matches were set up purely logically based on the times of day of the players (for instance if playerA is 6 hours ahead of playerB, it could be played at 1pm playerB's time, which would be 7pm playerA's time), then it would give ample opportunity for those participating in the tournament to make the time. And that's what's important. Until the esports becomes a priority, it will likely never be taken seriously. If it's going to be more than "just a game," it needs to be treated in kind.

I mean, I guess this is one of those things that's easier said than done since I'm certainly not in the tournament, but if I was, I wouldn't be saying, "hey, this is when I am not doing anything else," I'd say, "just say when." I'd be taking it seriously and treating it like a professional athlete might treat a game, and with this sort of less-than-a-week's notice for matchups, of course there are going to be lots of time restrictions for the players. Which brings me back to my main point, which is that I think the tournaments should just be scheduled wayyyyy in advance.

And on that note,
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FrogOfWar
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany1406 Posts
May 20 2010 11:51 GMT
#5006
On May 20 2010 15:56 Megaman703 wrote:
Except they aren't live. There was a huge poll about the fact that they aren't doing it live.


Funny that there's still confusion about the life issue. After having followed the whole HDH and frequently checked this thread, I'm still not sure myself how they do it. Some games definitely where not live, as people found out the results before stream dates from the players match histories. However, in the rules it says:

10) Round of 4, Third Place, and Finals matches will be spectated by Husky and HD. A time for these games to be played will be worked out between all involved at a closer date.

Of course, they can spectate when it's played and still broadcast later. But then they would already know the games when they are streamed which would make the commentating difficult. To commentate live but just for the recording with no audience would be awkward too.

Afaik so far they were livecasting replays of games that had been played a couple of days earlier. But what the procedure is for the finals and 3rd match, I don't know.
pash1k
Profile Joined April 2010
Ukraine119 Posts
May 20 2010 13:41 GMT
#5007
On May 20 2010 20:51 FrogOfWar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2010 15:56 Megaman703 wrote:
Except they aren't live. There was a huge poll about the fact that they aren't doing it live.


Funny that there's still confusion about the life issue. After having followed the whole HDH and frequently checked this thread, I'm still not sure myself how they do it. Some games definitely where not live, as people found out the results before stream dates from the players match histories. However, in the rules it says:

10) Round of 4, Third Place, and Finals matches will be spectated by Husky and HD. A time for these games to be played will be worked out between all involved at a closer date.

Of course, they can spectate when it's played and still broadcast later. But then they would already know the games when they are streamed which would make the commentating difficult. To commentate live but just for the recording with no audience would be awkward too.

Afaik so far they were livecasting replays of games that had been played a couple of days earlier. But what the procedure is for the finals and 3rd match, I don't know.


Look at the VODs of semi-finals. See how there's no replay bar? And yet they definitely weren't played live. That means that they either recorded the games and then commentated them later, or just commentated them as they were being played and just streamed the recording.
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artanis2
Profile Joined April 2010
United States732 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-20 15:18:46
May 20 2010 14:02 GMT
#5008
They record and commentate live then stream it later.

First post needs to have the cast time typed out explicitly because that date isn't included with the time tag. Sunday 5am KST is Saturday 1pm PST, but it says 1pm Sunday!

This is what you see when you're not logged in: "The final stream of the HDH will be starting at 05:00 KST on Sunday, May 23rd."
Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
May 20 2010 14:20 GMT
#5009
On May 20 2010 22:41 pash1k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2010 20:51 FrogOfWar wrote:
On May 20 2010 15:56 Megaman703 wrote:
Except they aren't live. There was a huge poll about the fact that they aren't doing it live.


Funny that there's still confusion about the life issue. After having followed the whole HDH and frequently checked this thread, I'm still not sure myself how they do it. Some games definitely where not live, as people found out the results before stream dates from the players match histories. However, in the rules it says:

10) Round of 4, Third Place, and Finals matches will be spectated by Husky and HD. A time for these games to be played will be worked out between all involved at a closer date.

Of course, they can spectate when it's played and still broadcast later. But then they would already know the games when they are streamed which would make the commentating difficult. To commentate live but just for the recording with no audience would be awkward too.

Afaik so far they were livecasting replays of games that had been played a couple of days earlier. But what the procedure is for the finals and 3rd match, I don't know.


Look at the VODs of semi-finals. See how there's no replay bar? And yet they definitely weren't played live. That means that they either recorded the games and then commentated them later, or just commentated them as they were being played and just streamed the recording.


They were referees in those games, thus the need for both of them to be present on the matches themselves. Thus, they were also casting and recording those games as they occurred.

As for feedback and suggestions:

1. Try to have all players per round playing their games on one weekend per round, especially if you decide to go for a Ro32 format for later invitationals. This would give you time to cast the matches, and also give a reasonably fixed schedule for not just the participants themselves, but also the viewers to expect that Round of x videos would go up during the weekdays after the round held during the week-end. This also gives you a time-frame for spectating the Ro4 and Finals/3rd place matches so it won't interfere so much with your daily lives. If you do this, the tournament would last for four week-ends, or you could schedule a break within it before the Ro4 to make it a 5 week schedule. The sponsors like it better when you can give them a stable schedule of when matches would be played and when they would expect videos to appear from your channels.

2. If you can do it for matches from the earlier rounds, synchronize replays and switch views from Husky's PoV to HD, and v.v. especially if there are multiple skirmishes on the map, when doing replay-based VoDs. This would show multiple events at the same time, showing not just how intense the games are, but also increasing the clarity of your commentary on multiple game events. This issue would of course be rendered moot if a shared replay function would be integrated into b.net upon release, thus providing the both of you with the same PoV for your commentaries.

3. Retain the health bars for selected units so you can check on unit HP while early-game micro occurs, but let the battles speak for themselves when they occur. If it's a close call, or a side wins with a few units left, that's when we'd appreciate seeing HP bars on units, so we see whether they are in any shape to push.

Organizing an online tourney like this is no small feat. I've got a friend who does it for DotA for at least three years already IIRC, and it's always having the players show up on time to play or providing you with the replays that's going to be the hang-up. If I have any more things I could point out, I'd drop a post here again.
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Diokhan
Profile Joined May 2010
Finland33 Posts
May 20 2010 15:35 GMT
#5010
Bit confused with the wording for the last live stream... The previous streams have been 23:00 for my time (GMT+2), so is the sunday's live stream same time or earlier/later than the previous streams? All I really need to know.

ps. Keep up with the great work, and hopefully we'll see WhiteRa wrecking idrA on the finals!
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Bensio
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom621 Posts
May 20 2010 16:10 GMT
#5011
On May 21 2010 00:35 Diokhan wrote:
Bit confused with the wording for the last live stream... The previous streams have been 23:00 for my time (GMT+2), so is the sunday's live stream same time or earlier/later than the previous streams? All I really need to know.

ps. Keep up with the great work, and hopefully we'll see WhiteRa wrecking idrA on the finals!


If its 22:00 CET last times and if its 22:00 CET this week as well, do you think it is 22:00 CET?

artanis2
Profile Joined April 2010
United States732 Posts
May 20 2010 16:41 GMT
#5012
I believe that it's 21:00 CET on Sunday.
nemetroid
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden33 Posts
May 20 2010 17:02 GMT
#5013
CET refers to "winter time/standard time". During the summer, no countries except one or two in Africa observe this time zone. During the summer, areas that observe CET during winter observe CEST.

However, I'm worried that Husky/HD has written something erroneous such as "1 PM PST" (which refers to winter time and thus makes no sense to write during DST), and that TL is automatically transforming this to the wrong time. They've used PST instead of PDT when referring to times for earlier streams.
AskJoshy
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1625 Posts
May 20 2010 18:04 GMT
#5014
Nooooooooooo I'm going to be at a wedding that starts RIGHT when this cast does! I don't even want to go! Crap. I just hope the VODs are available very quickly so that I don't get spoiled just by signing online!
Heroes, Hearthstone, and SC2 videos: http://www.youtube.com/AskJoshy
notuswind
Profile Joined May 2010
United States14 Posts
May 20 2010 18:50 GMT
#5015
Huge props to HD and Husky for making this tournament such a success.

I really disagree with the tone of the criticism that these guys have been receiving in this thread. I think most of these people forget that there is no e-Sports scene in the West and that people like HD and Husky are really pioneers who are trying to put together the best tournament they can under the circumstances.

If, or when, HD and Husky decide to organize another HDH I am sure that they would do a number of things differently. The learning curve that they're on has been pretty steep.
Shiladie
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1631 Posts
May 20 2010 18:57 GMT
#5016
I'm definitely gonna try to tune in live this sunday instead of my regular stint of watching the VODs after the fact...
mrchess
Profile Joined January 2010
United States8 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-20 19:24:54
May 20 2010 19:24 GMT
#5017
Hey guys I was sick of navigating YouTube and the VOD section here and made a mega collection of all the HDH #1 tourny links. I will add the end matches after Sunday, but wanted to post this now so people could get caught up before the final match. Hope some can find this useful.

I am putting this in a spoiler tag since the RO8 and RO4 players are revealed since I list the names. The links are in this format:

{link} - {Player 1 vs Player 2}
+ Show Spoiler +

Round of 16
http://clct.in/U7TE - LzGaMeR vs Ret
http://clct.in/5ez3 - CauthonLuck vs KawaiiRice
http://clct.in/z14X - InControl vs Nazgul
http://clct.in/t3pO - NonY vs Moonglade
http://clct.in/A4AK - WhiteRA vs Jinro
http://clct.in/IoUl - IdrA vs Orb
http://clct.in/QbnW - Artosis vs TheLitteOne
http://clct.in/pRt5 - Day9 vs Tasteless

Round of 8
http://clct.in/FINF - TheLittleOne vs CauthonLuck
http://clct.in/1K4D - WhiteRa vs Tasteless
http://clct.in/sCqM - Ret vs Idra
http://clct.in/If2K - NonY vs Nazgul

Round of 4
http://clct.in/U2fS - TheLittleOne vs WhiteRa
http://clct.in/1D1j - IdrA vs NonY
Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
May 20 2010 20:04 GMT
#5018
If the time stamp thing is confusing, its 1PM PDT this sunday.
Commentaries: youtube.com/HuskyStarcraft
Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
May 20 2010 20:14 GMT
#5019
Ok I updated the time stamp, hopefully its right
Commentaries: youtube.com/HuskyStarcraft
Gibbles
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada6 Posts
May 20 2010 20:34 GMT
#5020
People don't seem to understand the circumstances that HD and Husky are under for this tournament when they criticize and compare it to professional e-sport or sport events. First it should be pointed out that unlike most tournaments, the players don't live in the same time zones. I don't know if anyone has pointed out that this tournament spans 17 time zones. From Korea to Ukraine, the players have this obstacle as well as their job and normal lives along with the time availability of the hosts. People have mentioned a distaste for the amount of time it takes to have the videos uploaded to youtube and the delays during casting. Most professional events have a staff helping everything go smoothly unlike the HDH invitational, which has two people organizing it....two, that's it. While yes they did get help setting up their USTREAM account (and i think some advice from Day9 if i'm not mistaken), it has literally just been the two of them running all of this. The reason the videos take so long to get uploaded is not because HD and Husky are taking their sweet @ss time to get it done, it's because these videos have a long rendering time as well as the amount of time it takes Youtube to upload them in 1080 quality; not to mention the post-production of putting the video together. If people want the videos faster, buy HD a 5,000 dollar computer that has a massive hard-drive.

Lastly, please note that this is their first tournament. The amount of kinks they have worked out only means the next will be that much better for it. I am sick and tired of the so called "constructive criticism" that entails telling Husky and HD that they sucked at organizing the event, that it's not live, and that it takes too long for the videos to be released.

If they could make it better they more than likely would have
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