EPTHDH Invitational #1 - Page 143
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vibemytribe
Israel29 Posts
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ELA
Denmark4608 Posts
On April 29 2010 05:44 Liquid`NonY wrote: still, it's completely obvious that TSL3 will be a SC2 thing. TSL2 was clearly the last SC:BW TSL. and even beyond the TSL, teamliquid runs liquibition, team liquid clan wars, invitationals, etc. they always prefer to get the most knowledgeable commentators possible. its their preference. its what their community prefers. personally, i like all kinda of commentary. i see the strengths of different styles and i dont mind the weaknesses. but you aren't going to get anywhere by telling teamliquid people that "if they want something else, then go do it" cuz they already have done it. there's nothing wrong with them civilly expressing their opinions about the commentary of other tournaments. i agree that there should be some minimum level of knowledge required. im pretty damn sure that husky and HD want to be the best commentators they can be. if they are making some basic errors when calling strategy, they want to be aware of it. the teamliquid folks are the ones in the best position to call them out in that respect Good points. However, I do think that TL would do well in wording the 'constructive' critizisme in some other way, than calling out something like "Tell them Zerglings are spelled with an L". It just makes it seem sour. I agree that a commentator has to have knowledge of the thing he is commentating - But from my perspective, the level of knowledge for HD and Husky is sufficient (Admitted, Im not a high level player by any means, but I doubt most of the thousands viewers of this tournament are either). The level of commentating skill, meaning the ability to communicate and making people understand what is happening, is paramount in my opinion. Not nerding around in every little greasy detail. These tournaments are entertainment, and hopefully will be in the future on a much larger scale, and they should be considdered as such in my opinion. Im sure the two of us will disagree at several points - You being an ex full time pro in playing this game (That has my full respect btw) and me as a spectator who just enjoys watching people that are really good at playing games. No doubt you emphasize on different things than I do, but for me, it's all about entertainment and I think HD and Husky are doing an amazing job doing just that, entertaining and communicating this to a much wider audience than you could ever do by putting a couple of Starcraft-professors infront of the mic. | ||
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Half
United States2554 Posts
Er I meant Nazgul. | ||
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LaughingTulkas
United States1107 Posts
On April 29 2010 06:23 Half wrote: Now the only real match that I'm super interested in is WhiteRa versus Idra and maybe Nazgul versus NoNy. The rest a slightly one sided lol. wat. White-Ra and Idra can only play in the finals, they are on opposite sides of the bracket. White-ra is playing Tasteless, which is the only really one-sides match-up left, unless you think Idra-Ret is going to be one-sided (and it well may be). But you don't have either of those matchups correct. edit: i see you edited the incontrol out, but still, white-ra doesn't play idra either. Do you look at the brackets before posting? | ||
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WazZap
Netherlands73 Posts
On April 29 2010 06:17 Bersola wrote: go over to http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HDH_Invitational and scroll down saw some replay uploaded there  Those are the youtube links  | ||
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Bensio
United Kingdom621 Posts
On April 29 2010 06:37 LaughingTulkas wrote: wat. White-Ra and Idra can only play in the finals, they are on opposite sides of the bracket. White-ra is playing Tasteless, which is the only really one-sides match-up left, unless you think Idra-Ret is going to be one-sided (and it well may be). But you don't have either of those matchups correct. edit: i see you edited the incontrol out, but still, white-ra doesn't play idra either. Do you look at the brackets before posting? Take the hint, he meant the finals  | ||
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LaughingTulkas
United States1107 Posts
So all the matches are one sided till the finals??? CauthonLuck vs. TLO? White-Ra vs. the winner of that game? Idra-ret winner vs. Nazgul nony winner? These are one-sided boring games? Man, apparently you believe the idra hype. | ||
NonY
8751 Posts
On April 29 2010 06:27 ELA wrote: Good points. However, I do think that TL would do well in wording the 'constructive' critizisme in some other way, than calling out something like "Tell them Zerglings are spelled with an L". It just makes it seem sour. I agree that a commentator has to have knowledge of the thing he is commentating - But from my perspective, the level of knowledge for HD and Husky is sufficient (Admitted, Im not a high level player by any means, but I doubt most of the thousands viewers of this tournament are either). The level of commentating skill, meaning the ability to communicate and making people understand what is happening, is paramount in my opinion. Not nerding around in every little greasy detail. These tournaments are entertainment, and hopefully will be in the future on a much larger scale, and they should be considdered as such in my opinion. Im sure the two of us will disagree at several points - You being an ex full time pro in playing this game (That has my full respect btw) and me as a spectator who just enjoys watching people that are really good at playing games. No doubt you emphasize on different things than I do, but for me, it's all about entertainment and I think HD and Husky are doing an amazing job doing just that, entertaining and communicating this to a much wider audience than you could ever do by putting a couple of Starcraft-professors infront of the mic. I'm not really sure how it has come to this. Your original comment, in response to Kennigit's critique, was this: I would wish a TL representative would be more forthcomming against the two guys that are absolutely doing the best job at exponing Starcraft as an E-sport. Above poser is free to put his seemingly infinite understanding of the game into a tournament where he can comment on what he thinks is important... So, Kennigit had a right to say that. Saying that can be beneficial for him and for the teamliquid community. It can also benefit Husky and HD. It is clear that combining Husky and HD's natural commentating ability with more knowledge would be awesome. When they make mistakes, someone has to point them out so they can improve. That's it. | ||
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mynameiismud
United States31 Posts
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Hold-Lurker
United States403 Posts
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Regent
United Kingdom52 Posts
Seriously, am I just too old or do people not read things any more. I suspect that at least 30% of posts here are asking duplicate questions, about things they could easily find out for themselves. About another 30% are people moaning about spoilers or sharing their preferred cast times, or asking "where's the HQ?", or moaning about their connection to the stream. It makes it very hard to read the posts about the actual tourney. | ||
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Half
United States2554 Posts
On April 29 2010 06:37 LaughingTulkas wrote: wat. White-Ra and Idra can only play in the finals, they are on opposite sides of the bracket. White-ra is playing Tasteless, which is the only really one-sides match-up left, unless you think Idra-Ret is going to be one-sided (and it well may be). But you don't have either of those matchups correct. edit: i see you edited the incontrol out, but still, white-ra doesn't play idra either. Do you look at the brackets before posting? Yes, I know they can only play until the finals, I'm just saying that that and Nazgul and NoNy are the only games I'm particularly interested in watching now. Because as I said, the rest seem a bit one sided. | ||
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Bensio
United Kingdom621 Posts
On April 29 2010 06:40 LaughingTulkas wrote: So all the matches are one sided till the finals??? CauthonLuck vs. TLO? White-Ra vs. the winner of that game? Idra-ret winner vs. Nazgul nony winner? These are one-sided boring games? Man, apparently you believe the idra hype. Actually ima TLO, Day9 and NonY fan, reason for my reply was to make it clear what he meant, I cant wait for TLO vs Tastelessm and hopefully TLO vs White-ra again, hopefully TLO will have some revenge  | ||
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Hold-Lurker
United States403 Posts
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
Correct me if I'm wrong, actually, I'm not sure about it. Also, there were two instances were someone said "gg" after the other had already left, so you could tell by that who would win even if the other trick doesn't work. | ||
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zenato
Sweden15 Posts
Right now I'm refreshing http://www.youtube.com/hdstarcraft and http://www.youtube.com/HuskyStarcraft like a maniac and could probably be doing so all night, vexatiously. Does anybody know when the games TLO v Artosis, Idra v Orb and Day[9] v Tasteless will be posted on youtube? | ||
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Someone92
Sweden49 Posts
aye it is sry about that, so i guess the "real" replays will come once the tournament is over | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
Although in the Jinro vs White-Ra case the opposite is true, apparently Jinro had sent the replays. (here) -- which is against the rules apparently. | ||
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Regent
United Kingdom52 Posts
On April 29 2010 06:57 zenato wrote: Unfortunately I missed the stream, so now I'm eagerly waiting for the VODs to show up on Youtube. I know that they are supposed to be posted but not when. Right now I'm refreshing http://www.youtube.com/hdstarcraft and http://www.youtube.com/HuskyStarcraft like a maniac and could probably be doing so all night, vexatiously. Does anybody know when the games TLO v Artosis, Idra v Orb and Day[9] v Tasteless will be posted on youtube? The last batch of the RO16 took a few hours but to get proper HQ on youtube, you might be looking at 24 hours..... (sadface) | ||
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ELA
Denmark4608 Posts
Yes, the reply was a response to this: On April 29 2010 04:38 Kennigit wrote: This is why its important for commentators to have a good understanding of the game. On April 29 2010 04:34 Kennigit wrote: Someone please tell husky that they are called Zerglings. Is he ignoring the L for a reason? I agree I could have gotten it wrong, as I was reading that post, it just seemed overly negative in my opinnion and I didn't actually read his later post, where he's basicly saying the same things that I am about the different targets of audiences and the balance between commentating skill versus high level of game knowledge. I just keep seeing these small hints from established casters/participants in the TL community (Not exclusive TL representatives) that HD and Husky are 'stealing their thunder' somehow, and I felt I had to comment on that. No doubt that TL has done loads for the community and for E-sports, I think therefor I will stop hijacking this thread before it becomes completely OT. | ||
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