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Hey gang,
Im new to starcraft 2 - ive been a decently high quake player before - and im trying to get into this. On youtube Ive watched the most recent builds for Teraan to have a decent build and something to build on.
Now Ive watched winter's videos and PiG's videos. Ive learned their builds out of my head, even havign their vids being played on my second screen and doing exactyl what they are doing as Terran vs very hard/elite AI. And ye im telling you - and keep in mind im new i might fuck up here and there - but the builds you are making within the time you are doing it wont win you more than 20% of the matches vs AI.
So yea, what about this? Make a few vids, like where you do 5 matches vs elite AI as terran with the builds you are showing that would get me to atleast gold on the ladder to see whats this about and what im doing wrong.
Thx in advance,
eXpert
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Hi and welcome to TL.
There are a myriad of possible reasons from macro to unit control to where you pick your fights that could hinder you (and be the difference between what you are doing and what pig and winter are doing)
A replay would be most helpful.
Beating the AI won't make you gold btw. It s a good start to have builds down but you ll also need to just play some ladder and learn to play against various styles and builds as well as multitasking well enough. But totally doable so even if the first few times are a bit rough, don't worry too much about it.
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No. I wanted to leave quake and rly get into this and poicked Terran cause that was the free campain avavailbe when i down I downloaded. And im just saying that when you foloow the guide frok PiG or Winters and you do that vs Elite AI you will lose 80% of the time. And unless Elite is like gold on the ladder I wanne see em win vs elite Ai with that same build order/stratry/
Thx for the welcome
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What builds/videos specifically? PiG and Winter both have probably hundreds of videos with many many different build orders. Specifying which builds you are using is a good first start.
Now, i would be willing to bet neither pig nor winter are going to come into this thread and decide to play a bunch of games just for you. If you show us specifically what you are trying to do, maybe someone here can help you.
Show us what you are trying to copy, and more importantly show us a replay of yourself losing to the AI so we can specifically see what you are doing wrong.
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these builds, like exact replicas, wont win you in 80% of the times vs elite AI
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I'm 100% sure the issue is in your execution, not in the builds.
I can win 99 out of 100 games vs elite AI, and I don't know any builds at all - beside the ones I came up with myself.
Which obviously means they are (probably very) suboptimal.
It's still enough to win vs elite AI because my execution is... let's say 6/10, which is good enough vs AI.
I haven't played ladder in ages but for example I'm able to finish any of the base three SC2 campaigns on Brutal. Which makes me... Gold level player at best, I guess?
If your execution is 3/10, you might lose with any builds however good they are.
If you'll compare your performance with PiG or Winter, are you sure you're doing the same things _with the same timings_?
Because doing the same things but 1.5x slower would make any build 5 times worse.
And doing it 2x slower would invalidate any build, obviously.
Because if you're supposed to have 30 marines at 6:00 but you only have them at 9:00, guess what? Your enemy's army is probably twice (or maybe even 3 times) as big now so 30 marines would be not enough.
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With decent macro you can play whatever build you want and you will win vs elite AI.
Anyway your post is nonsense without a replay or video, you didnt post any of that, but you want Pig and Winter upload a video just for you, it's quite ridiculous imho.
Post a video and/or replay and we can tell you what went wrong.
cheers
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Yeah, even okay-ish macro should suffice to win vs elite AI with almost any reasonable build.
If there was (or will be) an attached replay, I'm 99% sure it would show us weak macro and really late timings.
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Please post VODs of your games. It's almost certainly the fact that you're brand new and still learning the basics of execution, as beating the computer isn't even difficult, let alone with generally solid advice from people who actually know how to play StarCraft 2.
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oke, ill post a vod where im just building my build and have a decent army parked at my second base and then the enemy comes in and just blasts me away in seconds - even though his army isnt waaaay bigger. I will find in a bit and then upload.
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On March 17 2022 22:54 fps_daniel AKA Xpert wrote:
oke, ill post a vod where im just building my build and have a decent army parked at my second base and then the enemy comes in and just blasts me away in seconds - even though his army isnt waaaay bigger. I will find in a bit and then upload.
Could be due to your unit composition, or a lack of upgrades on your part, or you possibly engaging at a bad angle, or a bunch of other things, so the video will definitely help us understand 
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ok thx ill watch those back @ jimminy_kriket
Oke here is a demo of me playing vs veryhigh or elite AI. So I win playing like this maybe 1 out of 5 times. And this demo is also not my best play and most on point build. But this does yea what always kinda happens to me. Whenever im just stabnding there not attacking first or when I get my 2 medivacs and attacking at the enemy base. Everything just gone and lost within a minute.
https://easyupload.io/2x1cfv
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I gave it a look.
1:40 600 Minerals floating --> that's too much especially this early in the game
3:40 one baracks is max que with marines, two are idle
6:00 3 Marauders in que --> not terrible but better to distribute on all the baracks, or build more baracks instead
8:00 1000 Min floating --> still too much
9:20 2000 Min floating --> way too much
Game ending engagement took place in siege-tank fire. It is generally a good idea to either avoid being in the siege line - wait for unsiege and then attack. Idle units during fight. Stutter step forwarding would also have won you the fight and/or sieging your own tank would also have won you the fight.
You are doing ok for a new guy. Stuff takes time.
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So that boils down to my micro, while everybody tells me the micro doesnt matter at these levels ...
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Well, up to minute 9 there is quiet a lot of potential to improve your macro.
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On March 18 2022 04:59 BjoernK wrote:
I gave it a look.
1:40 600 Minerals floating --> that's too much especially this early in the game
3:40 one baracks is max que with marines, two are idle
6:00 3 Marauders in que --> not terrible but better to distribute on all the baracks, or build more baracks instead
8:00 1000 Min floating --> still too much
9:20 2000 Min floating --> way too much
Game ending engagement took place in siege-tank fire. It is generally a good idea to either avoid being in the siege line - wait for unsiege and then attack. Idle units during fight. Stutter step forwarding would also have won you the fight and/or sieging your own tank would also have won you the fight.
You are doing ok for a new guy. Stuff takes time.
This is most of it, and I also want to add that you skipped medivacs entirely and had fewer siege tanks, whereas the AI had tanks sieged up and had medivacs healing the bio too. Your attempted defense wasn't the worst ever, but the AI's macro and unit composition were certainly superior.
I also recommend you keep a scout out by the opponent's base, or at least towards the center. You had no idea the attack was coming, and with that knowledge, you could have been better prepared for the attack (siege mode, better positioning, etc.).
On March 18 2022 05:26 fps_daniel AKA Xpert wrote:
So that boils down to my micro, while everybody tells me the micro doesnt matter at these levels ...
It's mostly macro and decision-making, at your level. You could have kept your resources lower as well. Resource management and pumping out as many units/structures as quickly as possible is part of one's macro. It takes time though!
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Ok so to make things staight: what actions should I take next time with this build? Just more units? And improve a bit on the macro?
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and a lil bit of micromanagement when possible
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