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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27305 Posts
April 08 2022 22:54 GMT
#81
On April 08 2022 05:59 teamfrolic wrote:
I was curious if I could find anything about fps_daniel and his quake prowess, and all I could turn up was a script, dedicated to him, for muting players in quake live. Seeing his posts, I think this makes a lot of sense.

https://gist.github.com/MinoMino/002a6438f5b1fde7249d

Hahahahaha
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27305 Posts
April 08 2022 22:57 GMT
#82
On April 08 2022 04:35 Kelberot wrote:
what a great thread, I didn't expect the community to react this kindly, then turns out the guy isn't the most appreciative of this miracle. Goes to show that BMing new players sometimes makes sense

Show nested quote +
On April 07 2022 21:55 Moonerz wrote:
Does anyone even play quake now?


if we were caring about that, we wouldn't be here playing bw/sc2

quake is quite a great game regardless

Quake is the tits, it’s a shame that not just Quake but that entire genre is borderline dead these days.

I’d give one of my testicles for an arena shooter to really hit it big again.

Much as I love the genre I also get destroyed dipping in again as the entire game population seems to be mostly veterans who’ve been actively playing forever.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
fps_daniel AKA Xpert
Profile Joined March 2022
Netherlands37 Posts
April 09 2022 18:34 GMT
#83
If I may have some across a bit holstiel to you guys, then im sry ok. I also have real life problems to deal with and im only human after all. Im thankful for all the tips and posts everybody gave me, they kept me motivated to keep trying and actually start playing on the ladder and to get more insight about the meta. And with that being said i am proud to announce to you guys that i am now a ........... Bronze 1 on the ladder!!!

But yea only people pull off nasty tricks which i have to deal with now. Like yesterday I had a whole solid army in front of my base and was rdy to attack but he dropped a nuke on my army and then attacked me instead, so ye ....

But Ill keep you guys posted and If there arte more tips they are always welcome ofc!
fps_daniel AKA Xpert
Profile Joined March 2022
Netherlands37 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-09 18:44:36
April 09 2022 18:40 GMT
#84
Oh yea and what I wanted to add is - and this was also alrdy in pig and inter guide - but for some reason i changed path from this build probably cause also still watching too much other dudes but is ... That after I have build my first barrack at the stairs Ill make sure to have around 450 saved up is to then make the 2nd command center and the oribital upgrade AND then 2 extra barracks with teck labs. And with this as solid start now and having some hotkeys and a bit more experience its going a lot better so yea. Wanted to add that.

The biggest problem i still have is that when I have more units and tanks and stuff than my opponent and I just attack straight into them - people say it can be done with more units - but a row of lined up sieged tanks up a ramp vs a bigger army comming from below kills me hard. But sometimes I can lurr them out and then they walk into me and then its fine but yea. Oke but thats for later.

Cya on the ladder friends!
fps_daniel AKA Xpert
Profile Joined March 2022
Netherlands37 Posts
April 09 2022 20:14 GMT
#85
But yea its a complicated game, not gonna lie ...
_fool
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands684 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-10 07:37:12
April 10 2022 07:35 GMT
#86
Congratz on the ladder ranking! Bronze is a cesspool where every player is pulling out the most foul tricks, just for the sake of getting out of Bronze. It's pretty awesome

Yes, walking marines into siege tanks might be one example where "bigger army can attack-move into smaller army" does not apply.

You have to dislodge their siege tanks. One trick is to rely on your vision outranging the opponents vision. Siege tanks vision range is smaller than their attack range. If you bring vikings with your siege tanks, the vikings will provide vision for your tanks, allowing your tanks to fire on the opponents tanks without their tanks firing back. This also solves the high ground issue, since flying units will reveil what is up the ramp.

(This is why TvT often revolves about air superiority, aka "the viking war". Winner of that air battle gets free shots with their tanks)
"News is to the mind what sugar is to the body"
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-10 12:03:07
April 10 2022 12:02 GMT
#87
On April 10 2022 03:34 fps_daniel AKA Xpert wrote:
If I may have some across a bit holstiel to you guys, then im sry ok. I also have real life problems to deal with and im only human after all. Im thankful for all the tips and posts everybody gave me, they kept me motivated to keep trying and actually start playing on the ladder and to get more insight about the meta. And with that being said i am proud to announce to you guys that i am now a ........... Bronze 1 on the ladder!!!

But yea only people pull off nasty tricks which i have to deal with now. Like yesterday I had a whole solid army in front of my base and was rdy to attack but he dropped a nuke on my army and then attacked me instead, so ye ....

But Ill keep you guys posted and If there arte more tips they are always welcome ofc!


I't's great to see that you had a change in attitude and I'm very glad to hear that you'll continue trying to improve.

You mentioned that you disagree micro is not important at low level. For some easy micro tricks that won't take much of your attention I can recommend watching this from the linked timestamp and then around 10 minutes forward.

Once you start getting better and have a deeper understanding of the game I'm gonna recommend following the pro scene because in my opinion Starcraft 2 (and SC:BW) are the most interesting e-Sports games to watch.
wat
RobertJ
Profile Joined April 2022
United States4 Posts
April 11 2022 17:21 GMT
#88
--- Nuked ---
Ch3rry
Profile Joined July 2011
Poland229 Posts
April 12 2022 11:42 GMT
#89
I just want to say that PIG's Bronze2GM guide encouraged me to get back into the game after 7 years and I am currently in Gold 3 league. Now I know what basics I was missing last time.
fps_daniel AKA Xpert
Profile Joined March 2022
Netherlands37 Posts
April 14 2022 01:05 GMT
#90
Alright friends, it are too many replies to thank you all personally but im looking into everything thats being told and send and keeping it in mind and thanks for all the info!
fps_daniel AKA Xpert
Profile Joined March 2022
Netherlands37 Posts
April 15 2022 20:24 GMT
#91
Alright friends, its been 1 month to the day I made this post. Back then very hard difficulty was just too hard for me, so hard that I coudnt resist making a post about it here. I told you I would keep you guys updated, I told you guys i woudnt give up and my promises are golden.

Now one month later I have the ability/build order to win vs the very hard elite pretty convincing. So yea, so this a big milestone and we all togheter made this happen!

https://drop.sc/replay/21330101

Thats how i do it.

_fool
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands684 Posts
April 17 2022 09:25 GMT
#92
I didn't check the replay (on phone). But I like your perseverance. Keep us posted!
"News is to the mind what sugar is to the body"
fps_daniel AKA Xpert
Profile Joined March 2022
Netherlands37 Posts
April 18 2022 01:06 GMT
#93
I dont know if people are still reading this thread but like ..

I have an APM of like max 60. One of the bigger troubles im encountering is at the beginning I always selects all my suv's and hotkey them under key 1. This was I can just press 1 and have workers selected and just build pretty fast some stuff left and right and with holding shift like multiple same buildings. The problem I encounter is that usually workers who are working on my gas are taking these tasks on them and that then at some point I all of a sudden realise none of my workers are gettings gas anymore. And this selected group of workers are also always still the 12 first workers.

Ive tried to just make camera positions on all bases and then fastly selecting a bunch of wokersd with my mouse and then let them build something and with this route I keep my workers at gas but it doesnt feel good. I miss having that "1" hotkey to press and to just statt building.

How do i solve this problem? How do those good guys do that?

Also I use the grid layout and there is "t" the attack button but i want shift to be the attack button, but i cant find this attack thing in the option menu. Does anyone know how to solve this as well?

Cya on the ladder!
honorablemacroterran
Profile Joined January 2022
188 Posts
April 18 2022 14:17 GMT
#94
Of all the things to call about about their Terran advice I don't think it not beating AI is it. My least favorite things that PiG tells Terrans:

1) Play Mech until Masters
2) Don't make ghosts until Masters

I didn't even know Winter gave advice for Terran but I'm not surprised it's not very good given his not-really-concealed babyrage at Terran in general.
Ch3rry
Profile Joined July 2011
Poland229 Posts
April 19 2022 09:21 GMT
#95
On April 18 2022 10:06 fps_daniel AKA Xpert wrote:
Also I use the grid layout and there is "t" the attack button but i want shift to be the attack button, but i cant find this attack thing in the option menu. Does anyone know how to solve this as well?

With Grid Layout you use buttons for grid slots, so you need to change key for the top-right slot from T to what you want. But Shift is also modifier key, so I wouldn't recommend it for attack command.
_fool
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands684 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-19 15:52:23
April 19 2022 15:46 GMT
#96
Getting rid of old habits (your 1 key for SCVs) can be difficult. But the longer you wait, the harder it gets. So break that habit

I'd recommend having hotkeys for:
- your CC's, for building SCVs (without looking at the CCs!)
- your production buildings, for building army (without looking at your production buildings)
- your army

With those hotkeys you dont need to spend a lot of time making SCVs and army. It will be like "4 s s 5 a a a a d d", and you've spent a nice 500/50 of resources (hotkey 4 being CC in this case) without even looking. So you have time for non-automated things like building things, and running your army around.

Pressing the CC hotkey twice (so 4-4) will take you to the nearest CC. Pressing space cycles through all your bases. So either way, with a few key presses, you have your screen focused on a bunch of SCVs. Box-select a handfull of SCVs, give them building orders (b-b, or b-s, or whatever you need), shift-click them back on minerals so they continue mining after their building is done. And... back to 4ss5aaaadd 4ss5aaaadd. Whenever you have 1000+ minerals, build extra barracks, and supply stations when needed.

This will leave your 1 key available for a metric ton of marine marauder.

Edit: with grid layout, the exact keys would be different but the principle remains the same
"News is to the mind what sugar is to the body"
fps_daniel AKA Xpert
Profile Joined March 2022
Netherlands37 Posts
April 19 2022 20:54 GMT
#97
Alright thx good tips.

Yea with the grid layout cycling through your cc's was binded to backspace; i never knew of this command and caur it was at backspace also never found out by accident or something.

Now with it binded to spacebar - and scv's no longer binded anymore - it is managable thx.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
April 19 2022 21:18 GMT
#98
I echo that it is best to break bad habits as soon as possible and replace them with better habits. The earlier you can do this the better, before it gets too ingrained. Theres a lot of techniques to get to base but even just scrolling at 60 apm till you can grab an scv off a mineral patch instead is better than not having enough gas when you need the gas.
PiGStarcraft
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia1004 Posts
April 29 2022 10:13 GMT
#99
On April 18 2022 23:17 honorablemacroterran wrote:
Of all the things to call about about their Terran advice I don't think it not beating AI is it. My least favorite things that PiG tells Terrans:

1) Play Mech until Masters
2) Don't make ghosts until Masters

I didn't even know Winter gave advice for Terran but I'm not surprised it's not very good given his not-really-concealed babyrage at Terran in general.


Play mech until masters!?!? I literally just did a bronze to GM with only 1 league where I showed full mech play just for variety. It's SC2, a strategy game. I've always encouraged people to play whatever they think is fun.

The reason I don't encourage people to make ghosts is most players make ghosts and use them like ass. If you aren't actively trying to get better at using fancy units it's not an effective strategy.

I've seen you in my chat a LOT lately so surprised you're making this stuff up
Progamerwww.twitch.tv/x5_pig | pigrandom88@gmail.com | @x5_PiG | www.facebook.com/pigSC2
_fool
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands684 Posts
April 29 2022 17:47 GMT
#100
On April 29 2022 19:13 PiGStarcraft wrote:
The reason I don't encourage people to make ghosts is most players make ghosts and use them like ass. If you aren't actively trying to get better at using fancy units it's not an effective strategy.


PiG, you just made me realize I use vipers "like ass". Basically I use them as very expensive suicide units, which is sub-optimal. Maybe I should stop making them
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