EPTThe LotV Terran Help Me Thread - Page 20
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GreenHealing
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PinoKotsBeer
Netherlands1385 Posts
On January 15 2016 04:59 GreenHealing wrote: If your tvp is 30%, i believe you are playing basic bio+liberator, which is nononono. Go tank marine, and your tvp winrate increases to 70%. Also, pure mech is not good either. I agree Bio liberator is a nono, tank marine is also a nono :D Because, i dont know how to play bio! haha | ||
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BiiG-Fr
Canada109 Posts
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PinoKotsBeer
Netherlands1385 Posts
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Empirimancer
Canada1024 Posts
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EatingBomber
1017 Posts
On January 15 2016 11:18 Empirimancer wrote: Why not use Cyclones against Ultralisks instead of Ghosts? Because 1. Cyclones are expensive (150/150), produce slowly from a Factory with a Tech Lab, and 2. Get easily overwhelmed by mass Zerglings, and lastly 3. Do not synergise well with Terran infantry, which is the conventional army nowadays | ||
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Sissors
1395 Posts
On January 15 2016 02:13 PinoKotsBeer wrote: Oh the joy of tvp, when its not an warprism with adepts they are turtle into mass carrier tempest mothership core. What is the counter to this? to me it seems impossible to kill and the micro for toss , it's amazing.... canons everywhere and lets herp derp into the golden armada. For warp prism my defense as mech player completely consists of a Cyclone. Well and a few random stuff around it I happen to have, but it pretty much comes down to that the cyclone needs to get rid of the warp prism before it can warp in a single round. So besides a (reasonably) fast cyclone (although if he might go Oracle of 1 base you need a very fast one), what you need is to have it in position, and complete vision of your base (with supply depots), so he cant do a warpin without you noticing. And yes, when toss realise they can do the warpin outside the base, and elevator it in in a second, I am screwed. But for now they don't do that. And while his initial 4 adepts are irritating, they try to kill your cyclone which is killing his warp prism, and they will fail at it. Regarding countering the golden armada: Well there are different theories. Some say Liberators are very good against larger number of carriers, since they shred interceptors, but I haven't had much success myself with it. Against mass tempests adding widow mines can help. And of course a shitton of vikings + few ravens for PDD. For carriers: Battlecruisers, Liberators according to some, and my personal preference: Make a field of missile turrets right outside his vision, and use that as base to push from. | ||
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BurningRanger
Germany303 Posts
On January 15 2016 03:42 GreenHealing wrote: Tempest/disruptor/stalker/ht&archon is currently unbeatable by any composition from terran. As always, TvP is once again a race against the clock for terran. I'd pretty much fight this the same way I did in HotS: Viking / Raven / Tank (/Hellion) Raven's PDDs to block Tempest and Stalker shots while engaging the Tempests with the Vikings. Tanks are just to keep the HTs, Archons and Stalkers at some distance. Hellions as mineral sink speeding into his bases, transform to Hellbats and burn it all to the ground. You have to be careful with the Ravens to not get them feedbacked and you need to learn when and where to set how many PDDs to not waste energy. | ||
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PureMetal
United States83 Posts
On January 14 2016 02:52 EatingBomber wrote: Your mech worked against HotS Protoss? Yes. A lot of P players were caught off guard. Hellions threatened run bys early-mid game, tanks stopped all blink aggressions. Hellbats blocked for tanks late game and sprinkling a couple thors and BCs in the mix made the comp difficult to directly counter. Of course mines too. Warp prism + Adept harass seems to be the answer because it forces me into overly defensive mode. I have no mobile threat (Hellions) because I have to spend more on defense. Nathanias posted his Jalapeno Cyclone cheese build which looks like my best option to catapulting into a mech mid game if I don’t win outright early. On January 14 2016 06:27 Grizvok wrote: 25 years old and you can only manage 100apm even with how it is registered now? You may need more than that to play LOTV effectively. Gee, I wonder if there’s a help thread I could post in to get advice… OH WAIT, that’s this one. So you’ve contributed nothing to my post asking for help except scoffing at me. 100 APM might be an exaggeration, but I’m slow now. I train weights and my hands just aren’t as limber as they used to be. | ||
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GreenHealing
82 Posts
On January 15 2016 22:23 PureMetal wrote: Yes. A lot of P players were caught off guard. Hellions threatened run bys early-mid game, tanks stopped all blink aggressions. Hellbats blocked for tanks late game and sprinkling a couple thors and BCs in the mix made the comp difficult to directly counter. Of course mines too. Warp prism + Adept harass seems to be the answer because it forces me into overly defensive mode. I have no mobile threat (Hellions) because I have to spend more on defense. Nathanias posted his Jalapeno Cyclone cheese build which looks like my best option to catapulting into a mech mid game if I don’t win outright early. Gee, I wonder if there’s a help thread I could post in to get advice… OH WAIT, that’s this one. So you’ve contributed nothing to my post asking for help except scoffing at me. 100 APM might be an exaggeration, but I’m slow now. I train weights and my hands just aren’t as limber as they used to be. Sorry but that is just bullshit excuse, reason your apm is shit because you havent played enough. | ||
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Grizvok
United States711 Posts
On January 15 2016 22:23 PureMetal wrote: Yes. A lot of P players were caught off guard. Hellions threatened run bys early-mid game, tanks stopped all blink aggressions. Hellbats blocked for tanks late game and sprinkling a couple thors and BCs in the mix made the comp difficult to directly counter. Of course mines too. Warp prism + Adept harass seems to be the answer because it forces me into overly defensive mode. I have no mobile threat (Hellions) because I have to spend more on defense. Nathanias posted his Jalapeno Cyclone cheese build which looks like my best option to catapulting into a mech mid game if I don’t win outright early. Gee, I wonder if there’s a help thread I could post in to get advice… OH WAIT, that’s this one. So you’ve contributed nothing to my post asking for help except scoffing at me. 100 APM might be an exaggeration, but I’m slow now. I train weights and my hands just aren’t as limber as they used to be. You are making the dumbest excuses and deserved to be called out on it. Weight training slows your APM? Being 25 slows your APM? Weird I've been lifting and rock climbing for years and get 220-ish APM with SC2 not even being my main game. Why make the excuses? | ||
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Tenks
United States3104 Posts
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PureMetal
United States83 Posts
On January 15 2016 23:14 GreenHealing wrote: Sorry but that is just bullshit excuse, reason your apm is shit because you havent played enough. Yes, I’d agree my APM is shit and I don’t play enough. Grats dude. I’m not denying any of it, I’m asking for builds that will be easy for me to execute. On January 15 2016 23:51 Grizvok wrote: You are making the dumbest excuses and deserved to be called out on it. Weight training slows your APM? Being 25 slows your APM? Weird I've been lifting and rock climbing for years and get 220-ish APM with SC2 not even being my main game. Why make the excuses? I’m not making any excuses though, I am stating the facts on my skill level. Do you have some kind of insecurity complex where you need to point out you’re better than me? What the hell is wrong with you? I’m asking for builds that my slow APM can execute. So far all the only replies I’ve gotten are rude belittling comments. | ||
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Tenks
United States3104 Posts
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EatingBomber
1017 Posts
On January 16 2016 00:50 PureMetal wrote: Yes, I’d agree my APM is shit and I don’t play enough. Grats dude. I’m not denying any of it, I’m asking for builds that will be easy for me to execute. I’m not making any excuses though, I am stating the facts on my skill level. Do you have some kind of insecurity complex where you need to point out you’re better than me? What the hell is wrong with you? I’m asking for builds that my slow APM can execute. So far all the only replies I’ve gotten are rude belittling comments. I must confess that I am intrigued by your success with mech against HotS Protoss. May I ask what region and league you are in? Okay, firstly, in Legacy of the Void,you must know that the speed of development has been violently increased, which means that the amount of time you have to accomplish a set number of goals has been contracted. This means that a limited APM will severely hinder your development in the game. Furthermore, turtling has been severely weakened due to the reduced number of minerals and vespene gas per base, so a Factory-based, space-control composition will be unlikely to work. Lastly, mech itself has been weakened, not because of direct nerfs, but rather because Zerg and Protoss have obtained new tools to destroy mech; Ravagers completely shut down Siege Tanks without Medivacs(not a mech unit), while Disruptors and Adepts are also pretty effective. So, to be perfectly frank with you, Terran is no longer a race that accommodates players that cannot perform (relatively) heavy multitasking and army control that Terran bio requires. HOWEVER, the game is still young, and there is still (I hope) lots to be discovered, so hopefully a few months down the road I can answer you more helpfully. But, if you insist on mech, I suggest you incorporate mass Cyclone/Thor/Hellbat into your list of compositions you try. It seems pretty strong. Unfortunately, I have no builds for you. | ||
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Tenks
United States3104 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37024 Posts
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PureMetal
United States83 Posts
On January 16 2016 01:02 EatingBomber wrote: I must confess that I am intrigued by your success with mech against HotS Protoss. May I ask what region and league you are in? Okay, firstly, in Legacy of the Void,you must know that the speed of development has been violently increased, which means that the amount of time you have to accomplish a set number of goals has been contracted. This means that a limited APM will severely hinder your development in the game. Furthermore, turtling has been severely weakened due to the reduced number of minerals and vespene gas per base, so a Factory-based, space-control composition will be unlikely to work. Lastly, mech itself has been weakened, not because of direct nerfs, but rather because Zerg and Protoss have obtained new tools to destroy mech; Ravagers completely shut down Siege Tanks without Medivacs(not a mech unit), while Disruptors and Adepts are also pretty effective. So, to be perfectly frank with you, Terran is no longer a race that accommodates players that cannot perform (relatively) heavy multitasking and army control that Terran bio requires. HOWEVER, the game is still young, and there is still (I hope) lots to be discovered, so hopefully a few months down the road I can answer you more helpfully. But, if you insist on mech, I suggest you incorporate mass Cyclone/Thor/Hellbat into your list of compositions you try. It seems pretty strong. Unfortunately, I have no builds for you. This was NA Diamond where I played mech in every matchup during HotS. Currently I’m going bio in TvP—it just performs more consistently against all threats and is mobile. I am experimenting with including larger amounts of cyclones, hellbats, and thors. I am not finding success with Liberators though. TvZ I am at a complete loss. My bio armies melt to Ravager/Roach/Bane. Even when I consistently drop on him, Roach/Ravager is just so much health to try and straight up fight. Mech he 1-a’s into my defensive lines and because he will generally have more bases than me, I can’t sustain the unit production. If I go extremely-heavy-Hellbat with Medivac/Tank/Mine support the trades seem closer to equal. Maybe more Thors + Liberators are the answer. | ||
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EatingBomber
1017 Posts
On January 16 2016 01:07 Tenks wrote: Does HTOMario still exclusively play mech? If so just watch his stream and take notes. I think most people in this thread are aware that mech is the inferior composition in the current patch and meta so we don't have really any answers to give. I saw him play Marines/Tanks against Protoss in a game on Prion Terraces, so probably no. | ||
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MockHamill
Sweden1798 Posts
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