• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 01:43
CEST 07:43
KST 14:43
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 1 - Final Week6[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall11HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0
Community News
Firefly given lifetime ban by ESIC following match-fixing investigation17$25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced7Weekly Cups (June 30 - July 6): Classic Doubles7[BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China10Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL76
StarCraft 2
General
RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Weekly Cups (June 30 - July 6): Classic Doubles Server Blocker RSL Season 1 - Final Week
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo) $25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome Mutation # 478 Instant Karma
Brood War
General
[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL BW General Discussion A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone
Tourneys
2025 ACS Season 2 Qualifier [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 Last Minute Live-Report Thread Resource!
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile CCLP - Command & Conquer League Project The PlayStation 5 Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Accidental Video Game Porn Archive Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Men Take Risks, Women Win Ga…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 644 users

TAILS' 7:22 Dark Templar Drop and FE - Page 7

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Strategy
236 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 5 6 7 8 9 12 Next All
Val_
Profile Joined May 2010
Ukraine156 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-07 14:18:13
April 07 2013 13:47 GMT
#121
, <del>
AKA [7x]Val / GML Terran EU
Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
April 07 2013 13:51 GMT
#122
Thanks for the write up. Excellent breakdown of the build and analysis.
Your strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others -Heart of Darkness
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9376 Posts
April 07 2013 14:01 GMT
#123
On April 07 2013 19:28 rEalGuapo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 18:06 xsnac wrote:
On April 07 2013 15:50 Gauranga wrote:
Somebody please explain to me why DT's against Terran is viable. Because whenever I attack with mine they just get scanned and destroyed on the spot (mind you I am in a low league). Is it because higher level Terrans spend all their Orbital energy on mules, therefore having nothing left for scans?


did you read the op ? there is specified a couple of reasons why it works .

it works cuz you contain terran and invest in tech/upgrades without any risks .

and for a low level understanding : even if he does have scans , he will be scarry to leave his base + 1 scan costs 300 minerals . so even if he scans and you killed nothing , you still break even .


A Scan does not COST minerals, how many people get that wrong is disgusting.
A scan is worth it to kill an Observer, you think you break even when losing a DT? Dark Shrine may be cheap but if you don't do any damage you are way way behind.

Also, at least on EU, getting a fast Reaper seems to be standard right now, that makes this BO terrible, late Stalker and early tech combined mean that Terran will know exactly what is up, making 2 or 3 Missile Turrets means you do nothing..


Sure it does.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_cost
I just think you definition of cost is wrong.
DanceSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States751 Posts
April 07 2013 15:07 GMT
#124
omg cancels zealot, that is so genius
Dance.943 || "I think he's just going to lose. There's only so many ways you can lose. And he's going to make some kind of units. And I'm going to attack him, and then all his stuff is going to die. That's about the best prediction that I can make" - NonY
IceBergZ
Profile Joined September 2012
Malaysia176 Posts
April 07 2013 15:09 GMT
#125
is not working for me
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
April 07 2013 15:10 GMT
#126
i wish there was something for terran. all these strategy pieces are for Protoss or Zerg. they are great, but terran players can't do much with them.
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
RogerShah
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands131 Posts
April 07 2013 15:23 GMT
#127
any (free) replay / vod available?
mortales
Profile Joined April 2012
174 Posts
April 07 2013 16:01 GMT
#128
I think MC was doing this in WoL before it was mainstream.
Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
April 07 2013 16:06 GMT
#129
On April 07 2013 19:29 Teoita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 19:27 Authopsy wrote:
Why isn't there a place where we can find those awesome guides made by TLStrategy in the forum? After a few weeks, they disappear under a ton of new, less interesting posts. Isn't it possible to make them sticky or have a place where they are easily accessible on TL?


Well this is just a game analysis rather than a full on guide. I have links to every article i've written in my profile, and many other blues too. That's a good point though i guess it'd be nice to have all the "strat talk" type stuff somewhere. I'll add them to recommened threads.

Glon's and Blade's guides are both in the recommended thread section.

Also, I'm workin' on that. More to come whenever it is I finish.
Administrator
Noxblood
Profile Joined February 2011
Norway374 Posts
April 07 2013 16:11 GMT
#130
On April 08 2013 01:01 mortales wrote:
I think MC was doing this in WoL before it was mainstream.

Without the Mothership core it is a lot more risky.
Life isn't hard, we just suck at it.
Riky
Profile Joined February 2012
Italy2 Posts
April 07 2013 16:57 GMT
#131
Great stuff indeed! Thanks a lot! ^^
Trozz
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3454 Posts
April 07 2013 17:02 GMT
#132
I just tried this build.
My drop came just before his.
DT defense rules.
A build is not a guess, an estimation or a hunch, a feeling, or a foolish intuition. A build is a dependable, unwavering, unarguably accurate, portrayer of your ambition.
awakenx
Profile Joined May 2011
United States341 Posts
April 07 2013 17:26 GMT
#133
Damn it, now every Protoss is doing it to me...

excellent write up, though.
WorstMicroNA
EatThePath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3943 Posts
April 07 2013 17:36 GMT
#134
On April 07 2013 17:32 Teoita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 14:10 EatThePath wrote:
On April 07 2013 11:55 Waxangel wrote:
On April 07 2013 09:19 Wonderstruck wrote:
What do you normally do against a terran who opens reapers? The mscore itself can't prevent the reaper from scouting your base assuming the terran is at all careful- you can throw down the robo in plain sight of the reaper but not the twilight council since it'll be a dead give-away. (At high masters if its any help)


reaper typically comes before your tech buildings are down, so you can change tack before you are committed to both Robo and Citadel tech (it's reasonably close to a MSC/sentry expand with robo fast if you don't make the citadel). No idea how it would play out at pro level ^_^

This is the one thing the article didn't touch on I wish it did. The map is a huge part of why you can do the build, because reapers are far less likely on a map that is so long and has all its jumpable cliffs right at the ramp. Akilon would be okay too, but I wouldn't try it on Planet S.


I wrote some map analysis but monk didn't like it T_T

T_T damn you monk! *shakes fist*
Comprehensive strategic intention: DNE
Trozz
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3454 Posts
April 07 2013 17:44 GMT
#135
Reactions are great!
"fuck wow protoss is a joke"
My new best matchup.
A build is not a guess, an estimation or a hunch, a feeling, or a foolish intuition. A build is a dependable, unwavering, unarguably accurate, portrayer of your ambition.
paddyz
Profile Joined May 2011
Ireland628 Posts
April 07 2013 18:31 GMT
#136
Nice writeup
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-07 18:43:32
April 07 2013 18:41 GMT
#137
--- Nuked ---
ReejOner
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada13 Posts
April 07 2013 19:10 GMT
#138
i seriously did a build similar to this for so long in WoL.. i find it funny how its like all serious now.. So gimmicky.. if terran stim pushes u its pretty much an auto loss.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
April 07 2013 19:12 GMT
#139
On April 08 2013 03:41 monkybone wrote:
What's the point of focusing on these risky cheesy EZ-win mode meta-builds with no scout..

isnt this supposed to be strategic?


Exploiting the metagame is a good strategy in my eyes.
AdministratorBreak the chains
DashedHopes
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada414 Posts
April 07 2013 19:12 GMT
#140
Why would you need to drop dts if you can get them out quicker and just walk up the guy's ramp? Most terran players don't even have detection a lot of the time. If he turrets at his front, what makes it so hard to just put up turrets in your main?
Prev 1 5 6 7 8 9 12 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 4h 17m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 268
StarCraft: Brood War
PianO 3177
Leta 628
Noble 24
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm124
League of Legends
JimRising 778
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K1160
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor236
Other Games
summit1g13378
WinterStarcraft516
ViBE227
ToD139
RuFF_SC259
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick40195
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH328
• OhrlRock 3
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota2982
League of Legends
• Jankos2235
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4h 17m
RSL Revival
4h 17m
Classic vs Clem
FEL
9h 17m
Elazer vs Spirit
Gerald vs MaNa
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
12h 17m
Bonyth vs Dewalt
QiaoGege vs Dewalt
Hawk vs Bonyth
Sziky vs Fengzi
Mihu vs Zhanhun
QiaoGege vs Zhanhun
Fengzi vs Mihu
Wardi Open
1d 5h
Replay Cast
2 days
WardiTV European League
2 days
PiGosaur Monday
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Epic.LAN
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
Epic.LAN
6 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
6 days
Bonyth vs Sziky
Dewalt vs Hawk
Hawk vs QiaoGege
Sziky vs Dewalt
Mihu vs Bonyth
Zhanhun vs QiaoGege
QiaoGege vs Fengzi
Liquipedia Results

Completed

KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
HSC XXVII
NC Random Cup

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
Acropolis #3
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
2025 ACS Season 2: Qualifier
BSL20 Non-Korean Championship
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
Championship of Russia 2025
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters

Upcoming

CSL Xiamen Invitational
CSL Xiamen Invitational: ShowMatche
2025 ACS Season 2
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
K-Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
SEL Season 2 Championship
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
Underdog Cup #2
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.