The HotS Zerg Help Me Thread - Page 254

On April 21 2015 10:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Well, I don't know whether to feel honored or not, but after reaching Diamond people have started using what seems to be called the SanGate. While I have no problem identifying it because it gives me nightmares like nothing else, I'm wondering how I should defend against this properly? More specifically, when to cut Drones, whether I should make a Spine at my nat and third on maps like Echo, and how many Lings or Roaches I should make.

On April 22 2015 03:17 GingerAle wrote:
Hey, I'm stuck on what to do in a long game of tvz. This guy went mech and sat on 2 bases. slowly pushed to 3. I tried to attack with mutas, roaches, hyrdas, lings, banes a little bit of everything. He just stayed put and didnt move out. I teched to a shitload of ultras while expanding. I attacked and didnt dent him. I remaxed with ultras/roaches/hydras and waited for him. He didn't move and built about 20 banshees (cloacked) and attack my main. I then countered and just quit. This was the most frustrating game i've played and had no clue what to do. (I've only been playing sc2 for about 3 days and zerg since yesterday so maybe I'm missing something.

This is in plat league by the way.

edit** I had about 8 bases, tons of minerals and gas and he was on 4. Built tons of turrets and static defenses and I was just lost. Most frustrating and least fun game I've had.

On April 22 2015 03:17 GingerAle wrote:
Hey, I'm stuck on what to do in a long game of tvz. This guy went mech and sat on 2 bases. slowly pushed to 3. I tried to attack with mutas, roaches, hyrdas, lings, banes a little bit of everything. He just stayed put and didnt move out. I teched to a shitload of ultras while expanding. I attacked and didnt dent him. I remaxed with ultras/roaches/hydras and waited for him. He didn't move and built about 20 banshees (cloacked) and attack my main. I then countered and just quit. This was the most frustrating game i've played and had no clue what to do. (I've only been playing sc2 for about 3 days and zerg since yesterday so maybe I'm missing something.

This is in plat league by the way.

edit** I had about 8 bases, tons of minerals and gas and he was on 4. Built tons of turrets and static defenses and I was just lost. Most frustrating and least fun game I've had.

On April 23 2015 05:38 GingerAle wrote:
Thanks to everyone who replied to me! I figured it out haha. Worked on some other things at the same time. After about 5 days of starcraft I hit Diamond league! I'm pretty excited to work towards Master now haha.

Thanks again!

On April 22 2015 05:27 McMonroe22 wrote:



I have had great success vs mech by doing very basic things that you might have heard before and maybe have tried but never had used the right way. I'm talking about the viper. I literally go roach hydra viper and non-stop attack the meching player. To get to this point, you need to get a fast 4 base full economy. 4 base gas and minerals with a 5th base for the gas. Make sure you have 10 or so roaches to defend potential hellion aggression while droning this greedily. The next most important thing with this is to take your overlords and drop creep on every base on the map! This way you know their exact base count and you further delay them from taking new ones. Also, against a passive mech player, your creep queens will be free to turn the whole map into creep! Once you have the 80-90 drone economy, start massing roach hydra with 3 vipers for your initial attack. (Build more if you can! I prefer 6 for the mass abducts needed late game.) Make sure you stay on top of upgrades and tech paths because you will be able to afford it (At least two evo chambers for ranged and carapace upgrades, if you want a third for melee go for it! Also, make sure you have at least 1 spire for later utility). During your initial attack, you should focus on denying their third base if you can with blinding clouds on their tanks. If they have vikings, just use abducts instead and start adding more and more vipers. Pulls are incredibly good with the recent range buff! Many players make the mistake of only using blinding cloud vs mech but it's much more cost efficient to use pulls because with the range, you can pick off free units one at a time and with vipers, you can pull lots of units! If the mech player does hellion or banshee harass, building 5 or so mutas with an overseer with overlord speed in conjunction with your static defense at your bases will be fairly easy to defend. As the game progresses, most terrans won't be able to hold on for long if you control your vipers efficiently. Often times, they will have a turret ring outside their tank line which requires you to blinding cloud the turrets and then you may need a couple pulls to get their units in range of yours. At this point, a tech switch would be good. 8 brood lords and 16 corruptors with 3-6 vipers and a zergling hydra or hydra ultra or roach hydra force will usually crack the terran if they have managed to live this long on 3-4 bases. You can do a risky mass muta switch off roach hydra viper if you want a coin-flippy quick end. Often times I've seen zergs straight up lose because of the mass muta transition, but sometimes you'll get the win if they invested a lot in tanks and not viking raven. If you have any questions please ask, I've used this strategy successfully vs many top master terrans and 2 gms. So, I have a decent understanding on how to play this style.

On April 30 2015 05:59 FlyingBeer wrote:
I switched to Zerg a couple weeks ago, and I like to incorporate early timing attacks into my build order. I've been going for a maxed roach-hydra 2-2 play in ZvP, but I'm wondering what sort of opening I should use to transition into that attack or something similar. I'm hoping for an aggressive opener that's useful against a wide variety of Protoss openings. I think I see gate-core-expand the most frequently lately. Any help is much appreciated, thanks.