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JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
January 05 2013 23:50 GMT
#441
I've let Wraithan know about that issue, it seems a couple of people are having that issue.
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
Spaceboy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom220 Posts
January 06 2013 01:53 GMT
#442
On January 06 2013 08:23 guruPanda wrote:
I Have the problem with spendingq, too btw, the problem seems to be that the graph only goes from -1 to one on both axis, therefore doesn't show the values. No Idea how to fix it.


Yeah me too! I'm using Firefox, I tried IE but as someone else mentioned it doesn't even look like a full web page in that (only shows text) so that was no help either.
I am terrible at this game!
guruPanda
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany32 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-06 12:54:58
January 06 2013 12:52 GMT
#443
For everyone having the problem with spendingq.com: Until it is fixed, use this as an alternative:

1. Go to wolframalpha.com
2. Enter this original formula of the spendingquotient: 35*(0.00137*I-LN(U))+240 (source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=266019)
3. Exchange the I with your income and the U with your avarage unspent.
4. Leave the page open while you practice and calculate your spendingquotiend each game, if you want you can build a graph in an excel-file. (wolframalpha won't save your entries, you'll have to write them down after each game or just see wether you reached the goal and not save the value).
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-10 00:27:42
January 06 2013 18:18 GMT
#444
or use this:

http://devjunk.org/sc2/

or this:

www.ggtracker.com

EDIT:

Check out the latest Staircase video:




EDIT EDIT:

Check out how this player beat ladder anxitety with TheStaircase.

http://sc2immoralist.tumblr.com/
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
Spaceboy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom220 Posts
January 10 2013 01:56 GMT
#445
I'm currently loving playing on ladder using this system it's so much fun!

Earlier I somehow managed to beat a gold protoss (although this is in HotS and his APM was only 14 so I guess his placements screwed up), who then repeatedly called me a "faggot" and instructed me that Zerg is a "broken OP reace [sic]".. despite the fact that I'm only on level 2 and have yet to build an extractor while laddering in HotS :D Apparently 4 base slowling aggression is the counter to mass voidray/stalker..who'd a thunk it?!
I am terrible at this game!
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
January 10 2013 02:16 GMT
#446
On January 10 2013 10:56 Spaceboy wrote:
I'm currently loving playing on ladder using this system it's so much fun!

Earlier I somehow managed to beat a gold protoss (although this is in HotS and his APM was only 14 so I guess his placements screwed up), who then repeatedly called me a "faggot" and instructed me that Zerg is a "broken OP reace [sic]".. despite the fact that I'm only on level 2 and have yet to build an extractor while laddering in HotS :D Apparently 4 base slowling aggression is the counter to mass voidray/stalker..who'd a thunk it?!


I always remember this when people start saying these types of things. "this race is OP" etc etc are fun to say as a joke, but when people say them seriously it makes me lol a bit :D
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
reliablefr
Profile Joined January 2013
Angola3 Posts
January 10 2013 06:04 GMT
#447
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guruPanda
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany32 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-13 23:59:43
January 13 2013 12:53 GMT
#448
So I've used this for about a week now and I really like it, I already feel I have improved in terms of not getting supplyblocked and using camerahotkeys.
One think I changed though is I put the sentry as step 3, not only because it's important, but also because spending you're gas in the earlygame is kinda stupid without them and I often took probes out of the gas to keep my SQ down.
One thing you could maybe mention in your guide is to try and keep yoursel from exploiting the system. While playing I often found myself being tempted to build a way too high production-facility-count to keep my SQ down or go for bad unit compositions to even out a gas-minerals difference. You obviously can't fix this, but it might be helpful to mention it somewhere so people don't do it :D

Thanka a lot for this, it really gave me a new motivation to get better!

Edit: Today I decided to reverse the change with the sentrys, just because all the macro-steps became kinda stupid with this change. I guess correcting a mineral-gas-difference with something else tham building gas-heavy units is a useful skill to have anyways.
Dogvomit
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom10 Posts
January 14 2013 15:41 GMT
#449
love to give it a try but can't find it on the eu server .
origin sucks
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
January 14 2013 15:47 GMT
#450
You don't need the custom map! (Although it should be on the EU server). All you need is to watch the videos and hop on the ladder, or custom melee game
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
January 14 2013 21:18 GMT
#451
We're starting a new show at TheJaKaTaK that will have players learning with both TheCore and TheStaircase. If you're interested check out this video to see the requirements for participation:

Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
Spaceboy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom220 Posts
January 15 2013 00:44 GMT
#452
Hooray, starcraft reality tv! Should be fun to watch :D
I am terrible at this game!
Ishmak
Profile Joined January 2013
Australia5 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-15 13:03:13
January 15 2013 12:59 GMT
#453
I want to start out by saying that the work you have been doing Jak is amazing. Huge props - it is greatly appreciated! Too bad I only discovered about it two days ago!

I'm in top 8 Plat on SEA with an MMR somewhere in low diamond. I only started playing RTS competively last July after I got given SC2 by a friend. After playing the campaign on Hard I thought I was pretty good... man how wrong I was. I soon discovered how terrible I was . Since then though I have been through Filter's guide and it definitely improved my game.
While I am still improving I began to feel that I wasn't being helped much more by his tutorials.

I found your keyboard layout and it looked very very confusing at first, but also very interesting at the same time! So I decided to give it a try. I knew the learning curve would be steep so I just started with playing AI. It is safe to say that it was pretty disastrous for the first few games and I found myself clicking on some buttons which I shouldn't. Then the next day I found this - TheStaircase. I was a little put off by the introduction (at first glance). However I came back a little later and decided to read it and found it to be a great read!

After learning about TheStaircase I realised that it would be the perfect thing to do whilst learning TheCore. So I ambitiously set myself the 'Masters' benchmark, because thats where I want to be. Immediately after starting to use TheStaircase I began to see vast improvements on my understanding/success in using the new layout. But not only that I was actually hitting all of the Masters benchmarks quite easily! Your Staircase method makes so much sense and whilst in some ways being extremely limiting is at the same time extremely flexible! I don't really know how to give it justice.. but for me it just clicks! My game as a whole has vastly improved and I'm still no-where proficient with the new layout and I am far from finishing all the TheStaircase levels.

These two tools are arguably the best tools for improvement that I have found so far. Apologies if you have already done this - but you should definitely 'sell' the two together as a package. Introduce TheCore as an alternative layout and then give them TheStaircase to ease them into trying to figure out the new commands.

I haven't really said everything that I want but I fear this post is too long already! If I could give you +1000 I would!

Many thanks for dedicating the time to produce these tools for the community (also a thanks to the people who have worked with you to create these )
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
January 15 2013 13:21 GMT
#454
Thanks so much for the compliments :D

I actually will be developing a specific set of Steps for learning TheCore. Instead of unlocking units, you will unlock keys. This will be for more experienced players that just want to switch over to TheCore as quickly as possible while shoring up some fundamentals they may have been overlooking.

Thanks again, definitely check out TheStuffLeague show once it gets going, judging by your post, I think you're really going to like it
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
January 16 2013 03:35 GMT
#455
Just tried this out, it's fun! Did it against a comp though and they were able to build whatever they want, wouldn't it be better if the opponent had the same restrictions? (Still won against a *hard* comp through pure zealoty goodness. Felt pretty good).
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
January 16 2013 03:53 GMT
#456
hahaha, yea yea Spaceboy, it does feel good to do that, doesn't it

We'll have gg tracker updated for HotS soon, when we do. TheStaircase is going to have a whole new rework on benchmarks. It is going to be phenomenal

like average inject gap instead of energy on queens
maybe a metric for creep spread
more accurate SQ


and more! It will be so good
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
alex``
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany13 Posts
January 18 2013 10:55 GMT
#457
I have kind of mixed feelings about TheStaircase. I am a Diamond Protoss player on EU, started with SC2 1 year ago. So my Goal is ofc, so reach Masters League. I wanted to try it out, started on Tuesday, but it is kind of frustrating. It is clear, it is not about winning, it is about improving, but it feels kind of weird AND boring to only build Zealot and Stalker game for game and only to focus on macro. I continued on Wednesday and reach finally lvl 6 and I am now allowed to build Immortals yeah!!! Yesterday i was to bored to continue with TheStaircase, so i decided to play soem HotS and some Custom Games in WoL. I really had problems. Not with the early game, but i lost games in the late game i should have los and i think it was because of TheStaircase. So whoever wants to try it out, you should know, it will affect your play and you should continue to the end. if you interrupt, you learned nothing and will have problems to come back

I have one question, i played with TheStaircase on Tuesday and Wednesday, yesterday i played normal. I cannot play today and not on the weekend, so I will start on Monday again. Can i continue with the level i was at, or do I have to start over again? What is your suggestion?

JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
January 18 2013 15:23 GMT
#458
I think its fine to continue where you left off alex. Also, I think that as a Diamond player, you will likely get bored, but this will not be the case for bronze-gold, and maybe even plat. Same thing with winning games. It is very likely if you are in the Stuff League you will win many games "accidentally" with TheStaircase.

Feel free to mix in some freestyle games where you get bored. See if you can incorporate the strong mechanics that you have when using TheStaircase. Also, if you aren't having fun, maybe TheStaircase is not for you.
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
alex``
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany13 Posts
January 18 2013 15:29 GMT
#459
Oh yes! I won lots of matches with the Staircase, just because of having more Stuff. But the longer the game is, the more likely is losing. And since i wanna have a collecting rate above 1000 i usually expand at least once
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
January 18 2013 15:39 GMT
#460
Cool cool I think that SQ has a nice side effect of encouraging expanding.
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
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