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JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
March 04 2015 19:51 GMT
#7501
hahahahaha, oh varsovie
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
brothersadcase
Profile Joined May 2014
11 Posts
March 06 2015 03:15 GMT
#7502
Hey guys, you may remember me, I haven't commented on this thread for a few months. I've recently started (finally) playing the game properly against real human people so I thought maybe my thoughts might finally be useful. I remember you asking people to test the hotkeys as much as they can. I couldn't really do that cause I moved every to the middle of the keyboard, so my shift key is n and my ctrl is space. I suppose that's the first thing I could say. It's pretty good. The only problem is actually talking to people obviously. I have a second profile set up on my keyboard so I can do that. I'm not sure if you can do something like this without a keyboard with which you can change which letters keys output. I use autohotkey to change my mouse wheel to prev and next subgroup (up wheel is p and downwheel is o and previous and next subgroup in the hotkeys menu is set to p and o respectively) and it works flawlessly, but I heard someone say that autohotkey is borky in SC2 (as it is in a lot of new games) so maybe it won't work for the keyboard.

OK, thought one!

If you're using the random 2.0 layout, try this for control groups (this is really just for Terran):

J and 0, production and CCs respectively.
9, O, L - chunks of army, so drops or scouting units. Basically drops ^^. I like this because it really prioritises the drops, and if you're playing Terran you'll be doing this a lot.
I changed I (stop) to a control group. I'm using this mainly for mines.
All the other control groups, Y, H, M, I use the same way as my mines group - units that will mostly stay with the main army and have skills you need to press fast, like Ghosts, Ravens, etc. Units with skills or that you need to kite with, like Vikings.

The last thing I want to mention is the new way The Core is using shift and ctrl. When the latest version came out, I took all the changes but kept the old ctrl shift cause by that point I was just too used to it. But I've been thinking lately about why I was right to do so!

When you're adding units to groups, you're mostly using shift. Say you're in a panic situation. You're being attacked and your marines are rallying to their deaths. You grab one, you shift grab the next group and then you move command back and add them to your control group. The way that you do this with the new Core is you would shift grab them, then control add them, which is awkward in a tricky situation.

The nice this about the new layout is it's very easy to send units out by shift clicking them out of the wireframe, then redefining without lifting your thumb. But it's actually pretty easy if ctrl shift is your 'define' combo. You just shift click out, then shift your thumb down so it's on shift ctrl.

I just realised right now how what I'm saying might not work for other people. It might not work if you're ACTUALLY using shift ctrl ^^. Even when I was using the Core on the right side of the keyboard I used the app key for ctrl (because, I've come to accept, I have small hands). So ... bear that in mind, I guess. I would recommend either binding the app key to ctrl or spacebar if your keyboard can do it, or authotkey can do it. I'm pretty sure autohotkey can. The script would look, I think, like this:

AppsKey::^
return

Possibly the ^ would be written as ctrl, or control in this instance, I'm not sure, but it should be easy to find out.

I just realised something else. Sorry, this is fragmented, I just wanted to share my thoughts, and get back to getting my ass kicked on ladder. In the old Core, shift didn't add to groups, because it was used for camera hotkeys. I set it up like that, because I'm not using it for camera, so I thought, well might as well.

My camera hotkeys. Obviously with this setup I can't do the nice camera hotkeys the core has. I've layered them over the abilites, so it's O, [, 9, =, l, ', and alt 0 for rally points. That's only seven but I haven't found a use for the eigth yet.

Here's a cool trick I've found. If you're careful, you can use modifier combos. So I have select army on alt ctrl (which this I can select everything, control click out Ghosts, mines, whatever and then ctrl add the remainder to my army. It feels pretty nice. I define my rally hotkey with alt ctrl shit (that's pressing alt then pressing ctrl shift). I snap camera to CCs with ctrl shift alt (that's pressing ctrl shift then pressing a, so the opposite of the rally cam combo). And that's it, though it leaves alt ctrl and ctrl alt left to play with if I can think of anything.

If anyone wants to do anything like this just be sure not to set anything as ctrl shft or shift ctrl or you'll be constantly doing what every it is you set it as.

This is another thing that is easier to do if you move everything to the middle of the keyboard. If you have shift and ctrl on n, say, and space repectively, you can hit alt with the palm of your hand. I'm starting to realise this post sounds less like a 'I have a contribution' and more like one of those 'look at my hotkeys!' posts. But I'm genuinely convinced this is a worthwhile thing to consider. But it won't be for everyone.

Holy fuck, this is an essay. Goodbye!
brothersadcase
Profile Joined May 2014
11 Posts
March 06 2015 03:20 GMT
#7503
Oh! I really wanna say. Thank you for the Core. I have these preferences, like I we all do. People who come into this thread are tinkerers by nature. We like messing with our setups. But the Core really is awesome. I'm gonna tell you a secret. I'm a sad,sad guy. I fucking love this shit. When I look at my beloved Random 2.0 layout, I feel genuine pleasure at how logical and symmetrical it is. It has a shape. And off I go before I sound even more like a weirdo.
Maxtorym
Profile Joined March 2013
Netherlands3 Posts
March 07 2015 22:45 GMT
#7504
Where can i download that Python thing cant download anything atm
Fission
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada1184 Posts
March 08 2015 22:41 GMT
#7505
What's the difference between 1.0 and 2.0?
.Wilsh.
Profile Joined January 2010
United States133 Posts
March 09 2015 19:45 GMT
#7506
Hey, I'm coming off a long break and am using The Core v0.6.3 (ZRM). For some reason Ctrl-P does not add to the P control group even though the hotkey options states it does. Any ideas?
YoTcA
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany151 Posts
March 10 2015 09:13 GMT
#7507
@Maxtorym: Python is only used to create a new version of TheCore for all keyboard layouts. If you just want to use TheCore in SC2, you will not need to install Python. Simply download the hotkey file and insert it in the correct folder.

@Fission: 2.0 is the latest version of TheCore. It has a few improvements over 1.0 and is better structured.

@.Wilsh: Try to set something in the 'global' section to ctrl+P and check how many hotkeys are unbound due to this. If it is more than 1, you have a hotkey conflict somewhere. Otherwise, you can simply rebind ctrl+P to the correct 'add to CG' function. Maybe this solves the problem.
Wildbuddha
Profile Joined June 2014
37 Posts
March 10 2015 13:51 GMT
#7508
Hi,

a while ago i saw a hotkey trainer, that doesn't need SC2. Just a small programm. I can't find a working one anymore. Does anybody have an idea? Preferably with the possibility, to either alter the hotkeys or load the hotkey file from SC2, since I altered the Core a bit.
.Wilsh.
Profile Joined January 2010
United States133 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-11 01:06:05
March 11 2015 00:55 GMT
#7509
@YoTcA: There were no hotkey conflicts with ctrl-P. I set the 'add to CG' to another key and it worked, but it still won't work with ctrl-P. I'm guessing it has something to do with the fact that P has a sub group (shift-P).

My hotkeys are:
Create CG6 - ctrl+shift+P
Add to CG6 - ctrl+P <--- only one that doesn't work
Select CG6 - P

Create CG7 - ctrl+shift+J
Add to CG7 - ctrl+J
Select CG7 - shift+P
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
March 11 2015 13:25 GMT
#7510
its very rare, but ctrl+P could be a windows hotkey overriding your sc2 hotkeys. But normally that's the shortcut for print so its unlikely that is the case.
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
StillRooney
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden106 Posts
March 11 2015 20:32 GMT
#7511
Heya, was a happy user of TheCore v1 and now I'm back after two years break so I figured I would learn v2. One thing I'm wondering about (ZRS Nordic):
Is it just me or is the suggested queen hotkey (group 8) a bit our of the way? Having to move my ring finger over my pinky seems like a very hard movement for me and it's such an often used control group.
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
March 12 2015 12:52 GMT
#7512
A change we made for 2.0 is that we've put the most time sensitive things on closer keys over the high frequency things. Of course, feel free to use your CGs the way you prefer
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
YoTcA
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany151 Posts
March 12 2015 13:41 GMT
#7513
On March 11 2015 22:25 JaKaTaKSc2 wrote:
its very rare, but ctrl+P could be a windows hotkey overriding your sc2 hotkeys. But normally that's the shortcut for print so its unlikely that is the case.

Good idea. I want to at that it might also be some 3rd party software. Most likely a media player, VOIP software or some other hotkey programm (mouse/keyboard software)

Try to close all programms that run in the background. Check your system tray icons next to your system clock in the task bar to find programms that start minimized. Then go ingame and check, if this fixes the problem.
StillRooney
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden106 Posts
March 13 2015 14:12 GMT
#7514
On March 12 2015 21:52 JaKaTaKSc2 wrote:
A change we made for 2.0 is that we've put the most time sensitive things on closer keys over the high frequency things. Of course, feel free to use your CGs the way you prefer

Fair enough. I rebound it to the CG button to the left of inject. Hopefully I am not upsetting the gods of efficiency
R05
Profile Joined April 2014
Canada47 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-14 11:55:55
March 14 2015 02:09 GMT
#7515
Is it normal that the "add to control group" keys and cameras are mixed up in the core 2.0 ZRM. If yes, why would the other layouts still use ctrl-shift-key to add to control group and not ZRM.

Also, im confused as to wich version i should download on Github, i downloaded ZRM from the bottom of the list.

Thanks
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
March 14 2015 12:26 GMT
#7516
@R05

There is no difference between github and drop box currently.

Not sure what you're asking concerning cameras.
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
R05
Profile Joined April 2014
Canada47 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-16 20:22:16
March 14 2015 13:07 GMT
#7517
badugib
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States80 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-14 17:46:20
March 14 2015 17:06 GMT
#7518
just started last week
discoboy420
Profile Joined March 2015
1 Post
March 15 2015 12:23 GMT
#7519
Are there still changes to be made to the Core v2.0? According to the spreadsheet it's not yet complete, if there are changes of what nature are they going to be and when can we expect them?
Where's the party?
R05
Profile Joined April 2014
Canada47 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-16 20:22:09
March 15 2015 21:22 GMT
#7520
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