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Wildbuddha
Profile Joined June 2014
37 Posts
March 16 2015 11:26 GMT
#7521
Hmm, I am just wondering, if it is even worth it thinking about 2.0, when LotV will change things again...

Btw. Is there a comparison 1.0 vs 2.0? Or is it too complicated to actually say anything?
The visualizer thing for 1.0 was great, does it exist for 2.0?

Great work btw.!
Vanngar
Profile Joined May 2013
United States30 Posts
March 16 2015 12:54 GMT
#7522
Is this visualizer updated for 2.0?
http://ivanvolosyuk.github.io/thecorevisualizer/visualizer/
sexytoss!
Profile Joined March 2015
Greece3 Posts
March 16 2015 15:44 GMT
#7523
Im ultra noob when it comes to stuff like this. I would REALLY appreciate if anyone can contact me and help me step by step understand and use the core in the right way. If anyone is that good as a person feel free to contact me at skype MannerBoy1981
If you dont believe in yourself , noone else will...
Vanngar
Profile Joined May 2013
United States30 Posts
March 16 2015 19:52 GMT
#7524
Anyone else think the original post could be a hundred times more concise and convincing? I actually want to rewrite it and reorder it.
R05
Profile Joined April 2014
Canada47 Posts
March 16 2015 20:21 GMT
#7525
Anyone knows if the zerg layout 2.0 has "Shift+Key" to add to control group or "Ctrl+Shift+Key"?

I see that all other layouts has "Ctrl+Shift+Key" as add to control group, so i'm not sure if thats an error in the layout.
velvex
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany226 Posts
March 16 2015 22:54 GMT
#7526
On March 17 2015 04:52 Vanngar wrote:
Anyone else think the original post could be a hundred times more concise and convincing? I actually want to rewrite it and reorder it.

I'm not a fan of the formatting either, but that actually goes for every TL post that puts all text in spoiler tags ...
Coldblackice
Profile Joined April 2011
United States49 Posts
March 17 2015 05:37 GMT
#7527
On March 16 2015 20:26 Wildbuddha wrote:
Hmm, I am just wondering, if it is even worth it thinking about 2.0, when LotV will change things again...

Btw. Is there a comparison 1.0 vs 2.0? Or is it too complicated to actually say anything?
The visualizer thing for 1.0 was great, does it exist for 2.0?

Great work btw.!


As with all things Starcraft, there were surely be some "evolving" to do, just like game balance. But I imagine that the core mechanics will be generally the same, albeit with some tweaking and refining. I definitely wouldn't wait around for LotV to start learning.
Coldblackice
Profile Joined April 2011
United States49 Posts
March 17 2015 05:41 GMT
#7528
On March 14 2015 21:26 JaKaTaKSc2 wrote:
@R05

There is no difference between github and drop box currently.

Not sure what you're asking concerning cameras.


Hey Jak, what other projects are you working on these days? Might there be any interest in some statistical data-crunching for TheCore? I love the theory and analysis behind this project, and thought about contributing through some sort of statistical side-project to both help TheCore + use the project as a personal springboard to building up data/analysis/stats skills.

I thought it'd be great if we could get a pool of replays and run regressional analysis on them to visually plot trends in *commands*, and then use that as an overlay for distribution. Nothing crazy, but it might be fun to see some graphs and bell curves showing fired commands/actions and at varying points throughout a match (on average).
Wildbuddha
Profile Joined June 2014
37 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-17 10:47:09
March 17 2015 08:09 GMT
#7529
On March 17 2015 14:37 Coldblackice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2015 20:26 Wildbuddha wrote:
Hmm, I am just wondering, if it is even worth it thinking about 2.0, when LotV will change things again...

Btw. Is there a comparison 1.0 vs 2.0? Or is it too complicated to actually say anything?
The visualizer thing for 1.0 was great, does it exist for 2.0?

Great work btw.!


As with all things Starcraft, there were surely be some "evolving" to do, just like game balance. But I imagine that the core mechanics will be generally the same, albeit with some tweaking and refining. I definitely wouldn't wait around for LotV to start learning.

I should have been more precice. I meant, is it worth it going from 1.0, which I am using right now, to 2.0. Even though the principles are the same, it look like a very different setup to me.

The longer I think about it, i start to doubt, the change from 1 to 2 is worth it at all...

E: Also, I want to bump this question:
On March 16 2015 21:54 Vanngar wrote:
Is this visualizer updated for 2.0?
http://ivanvolosyuk.github.io/thecorevisualizer/visualizer/



Btw. I thinkit is unbelievable, how much inspiration the community draws, from a "simple" game. This project is only one of the many examples. Go SC2 community :-)
YoTcA
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany151 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-17 13:06:56
March 17 2015 13:06 GMT
#7530
@R05: The Zerg layout is the first to get released with the new CG management. I do not know, if there are any plans to incorporate this into the layouts of the other races. But the change was on purpose, as this allows an easier access of the location hotkeys. But you can also stay on the older layout.

@Wildbuddha: I think the benefit does not meet the necessary time investment to switch from 1.0 to 2.0. So it is up to you, if you want to switch. If your focus is on improving in SC2 then it will be more efficient to spend your time on something else.
Althoug I am not sure, if 1.0 will receive an update for LOTV. So you might have to set those hotkeys yourselfe. But as it stands now, there are only a few new hotkeys, which should not break the overall layout.

@sexytoss:
I think those videos will give you a good start:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLiejbQlQAdGm5BmZvMIUAyDDpRgdXBXuP
If you have any additional questions, feel free to ask them here.
___kuya
Profile Joined March 2015
5 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-17 14:53:25
March 17 2015 14:16 GMT
#7531
Trying to get into theCore too, but somehow I cant use the "Add to CG1" properly. I use RRM and press the Ctrl + p but nothing happens. However "Create CG1" does function.

Just read the discussion on the page before this. Problem still seems unresolved and has to do with something overwriting ctrl+p.

Edit:

For some reason CTRL+SHIFT+0 doesnt create CG6.
However, I can "add to CG6" by ctrl+0
___kuya
Profile Joined March 2015
5 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-18 01:02:34
March 17 2015 23:13 GMT
#7532
On March 11 2015 09:55 .Wilsh. wrote:
@YoTcA: There were no hotkey conflicts with ctrl-P. I set the 'add to CG' to another key and it worked, but it still won't work with ctrl-P. I'm guessing it has something to do with the fact that P has a sub group (shift-P).

My hotkeys are:
Create CG6 - ctrl+shift+P
Add to CG6 - ctrl+P <--- only one that doesn't work
Select CG6 - P

Create CG7 - ctrl+shift+J
Add to CG7 - ctrl+J
Select CG7 - shift+P


Ok took me really long to figure out but I had to turn off my graphics card control centre and my logitech keyboard control centre because they occupied ctrl + p with some weird thing.
Hope it works for you.
YoTcA
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany151 Posts
March 17 2015 23:25 GMT
#7533
@___kuya: Thanks for solving this problem. Hope it helps .Wilsh., too. And, if you have not solved the Ctrl+Shift+0 problem yet, it is described in the FAQ.
Backb0ne
Profile Joined January 2013
Argentina1 Post
March 18 2015 05:00 GMT
#7534
Excelent post and nice work! Just an error report, the language keyboard video it's broken, at least at the time of this message.

Cheers!
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
March 19 2015 18:46 GMT
#7535
Concerning Changes to 2.0
No major changes are planned for 2.0, with LotV or otherwise.

Is it worth the effort to switch from 1.0 to 2.0?
No, I do not think it is worth it. 2.0 is best for players starting TheCore. If you're already on TheCore, I strongly advise against switching.

To Vanngar
I am happy to accept ideas to make the OP better. Write it up and send it to me. No guarantee I'll directly port it into the OP, but its likely I'll at least be able to use some of your ideas.

To ColdBlackIce
Hell yea I'd love to see more analysis. PM me with your specific idea and a plan on how to best execute it.

Concerning the Visualizer
To the best of my knowledge the visualizer is showing the most up to date version of 2.0 currently. I didn't go through every single key, but it all seems in order. Feel free to post up specific inconsistencies should you find them.
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
R05
Profile Joined April 2014
Canada47 Posts
March 20 2015 14:16 GMT
#7536
JaKaTaK says "No major changes are planned for 2.0 LotV". Does that mean that the LotV layout will be built on top of the 2.0 version and that i shouldn't worry about Rapid fire inject, base cam, control groups, etc being moved around in the layout?

Thanks
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
March 20 2015 14:45 GMT
#7537
@R05
Correct. Based on what we've seen so far in LotV there will only be very slight changes to 2.0. It is very unlikely, but still possible that Blizzard will mess with CGs, Cameras, Rapid Fire, etc. If they do, we will obviously adjust, but otherwise its just a matter of adding the new units and abilities.
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
FightingFrog
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
Sweden31 Posts
March 21 2015 22:55 GMT
#7538
I'm trying to move the Alt key where it's to the very left of the right Ctrl key, so that i can press Ctrl+Alt+key as well as Ctrl+Alt+Shift+key. That way I can keep two control groups on the same key. In that keys' place I currently have an Appskey.

Is there a way to do this without breaking tournment rules?
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
March 22 2015 01:36 GMT
#7539
Sure, use Razer Synapse or some other keyboard driver that allows you to change keys.
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
R05
Profile Joined April 2014
Canada47 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-22 03:23:48
March 22 2015 03:23 GMT
#7540
I'm using ZRM 2.0 and i noticed that "Larva" selection can be made with alot of different keys. Is it better to press the same key as the unit im building? (Ex: Select larva with J and build worker with J.)

Is there somewhere i can see the best key combinations?
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