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Vanngar
Profile Joined May 2013
United States30 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-04 08:20:35
April 04 2015 08:02 GMT
#7561
There's at least 2 parts in the OP where it links to an outdated visualizer at http://jakatak.github.io/thecorevisualizer/visualizer/

the one that seems to actually work and I don't remember where I found it is http://ivanvolosyuk.github.io/thecorevisualizer/visualizer/


what are the suggested hotkeys for CC and Rax in RRM 2.0?
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
April 04 2015 15:48 GMT
#7562
what parts of the OP? The first one links to http://ivanvolosyuk.github.io/thecorevisualizer/visualizer/
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
NjalSC
Profile Joined August 2012
Ukraine8 Posts
April 04 2015 18:15 GMT
#7563
2 JaKaTaKSc2: There is an old link under "5 stages" spoiler block.

Some testimonials. I'm trying to learn Protoss from scratch (was playing Terran in WoL), just switched to RRM 2.0 from 0.3.3 after a looong pause. New layout feels quite awesome -- much better than old one.
What do I like so far (in comparison):
1. Very smooth basic building combinations (2 different fingers to start combo)
2. Synergy of Ctrl, Shift and groups
3. Auto warp-in
What I don't like so far:
1. Suggested camera keys. Why Main is "J" but 2nd 3rd 4th are "P" "O" "I"? When you cycle through cameras, natural way
is JIOP or POIJ (case it's easier to "wave" fingers than to pick individuals). I don't get JPOI.
Also I've turned off center on Alt.
Of course, spells mapping is good as usual.
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
April 04 2015 22:52 GMT
#7564
Got it! Thanks
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
brook8128
Profile Joined August 2013
Korea (South)66 Posts
April 09 2015 04:49 GMT
#7565
When can I play with TheCore 2.0 LOTV?
OvO
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
April 09 2015 10:55 GMT
#7566
as soon as you get lotv?
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
brook8128
Profile Joined August 2013
Korea (South)66 Posts
April 09 2015 13:12 GMT
#7567
I hope so, but I just play single mod.
OvO
Bazik
Profile Joined September 2010
Portugal104 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-10 13:59:13
April 09 2015 13:54 GMT
#7568
Yoh. Wanted to share my experience with The Core 2.0.

I came back to sc2 recently for LotV since I have access. I used to play with the core 1.0 which I just love (I used to make my own custom hotkey layouts bk in wc3, editing the textfile was weirdly fun and boring at the same time )

Anyway starting with LotV I decided It was prob time to switch to 2.0 which to my dismay jakatak said wasn't worth it cause the time spent getting used to the new layout was better spent just improving on the game. At which point the OCD in me said "HELL NO", and obviously went and got it.

At the moment I would say I'm at 70-80% back on track with my hotkey efficiency and not fully bk to not thinking about hotkeys at all so not exactly awesome yet, but I'll get there.

Now having said that I have to say that to me 2.0 is a huge improvement over 1.0. Not in the sense that 2.0 in comparison to standard is much better than 1.0, cause in that respect I feel that their both very close to each other in terms of efficiency, so the advice of not changing is correct in my oppinion. Having said that for new Zerg players(dunno about the other layouts) the new scheme is extremely better, much more intuitive.

Changing attack from your pinky to your index finger is just straight up better, not only that but most unit keys are also on your index which is something you do a lot, so it's much better. For example, stuff like the queen hotkey is far away which makes sense since u'll mostly use at the start of the game which is also a lot smarter than the old positioning, and many more of this kinds of changes that I really enjoy.

--------------------------------This part is now garbage since I was writing from work and it was wrong :D-------------------------------------
There were some compromises tho, now to get to cameras we need to Shift which I'm not really liking and I think that I'll try changing it to create control group and cameras to Ctrl and Add to group to shift since I use camera a lot more than I use new control group. This might be different for other races but as a Zerg having camera's on all my bases is key to good inject practices which make it essential.
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Last but not least I would like to talk about the skills on opposite fingers and grouping in the middle, something that I thought would be weird to get used to, turns out to be awesome. Having the skills in a background position in the end of the day is awesome, the reality is most of the time attacking should be prioritized since u'll be under pressure when u really need it while a skill is always something that you really need to think about before doing it cause the energy/cooldown is way to important to spend on nothing so it ends making a lot of sense. groups come right after so having Ur main group right after the index in the middle finger makes a lot sense also showing that macro comes before everything else something that new players have a big problem understanding (no units = no win) and only then on the ring finger Ur main army.

Finally I would just like to say Thanks to everyone involved in the project and please keep doing it cause it's so awesome. :D

TLDR: Even tho 2.0 isn't a mandatory upgrade from 1.0 anyone that comes in new should look at 1.0 like Windows95, it was cool back then but there's a better version now.

EDIT: Spelling errors

EDIT2: Ok now I had time to check the hotkeys for groups and cameras problem I was having, essentially reverted to the system used in 1.0 where ctrl creates shift adds and cameras on crtl+shift since those are just preference and have no bearing on actual effiencicy I figured I might just get bk to what I'm confortable with.

EDIT3: Note on bad stuff from the post
Saeldran
Profile Joined June 2012
Spain11 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-09 23:42:20
April 09 2015 22:31 GMT
#7569
Hi JaKaTaK! First of all I gotta say thank you very much for all your work, not only TheCore, but also The Staircase method, which I'm finding very useful to relearn the game. I'm trying to switch to TheCore but have a Spanish keyboard, and your video explaining what to do when language isn't supported is not working anymore, and I'm not sure how to fix it. Is there currently any solution?
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
April 10 2015 16:39 GMT
#7570
Sorry about that. I'll try to get that video up as soon as I can. Until then, you can download the most similar version to your keyboard and make the necessary adjustments. I know its not ideal, but that's the best I can do for now. Working on a complete overhaul of TheCore video and adding in TheCore+ but its pretty low on the priority list atm.
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
R05
Profile Joined April 2014
Canada47 Posts
April 12 2015 23:07 GMT
#7571
Have you guys figured out how you are going to merge the LotV abilities into the core 2.0 layout?

If yes, will some of the old keybinds be moved around to make place for the new ones or will they be put on keys that aren't already used.

Thanks.
Bazik
Profile Joined September 2010
Portugal104 Posts
April 13 2015 02:12 GMT
#7572
For Zerg there's almost no changes, almost every single new thing we get can be put in normal keys like ravager upgrade on k lurker same thing it's almost really no change the only weird one for me is viper which i put parasite bomb on - (zrs Portuguese) other than that it's just a couple that are a bit weirder.
Coldblackice
Profile Joined April 2011
United States49 Posts
April 14 2015 03:17 GMT
#7573
For those wanting an "all race" setup, I thought I remember reading that one profile was better than Random. Or rather, that one of the races had a setup that was better for all races.

Is there any reason to not go with "Random"? Or why might another profile might be better than random? And what if one wants to play random, but also wants to play Zerg in HotS campaign? (I realize some campaign buttons aren't mapped - I'm meaning generally)
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
April 14 2015 17:22 GMT
#7574
All hotkeys should be mapped, if there not, it is an error. Each layout is made in such a way that the primary race is optimized and the off races are made to be as easy and intuitive to switch to as possible. The Random layout seeks to compromise between all the races and is not perfectly optimized for any as a result. If you have a primary race, choose the version with your primary race, otherwise choose random.
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
Coldblackice
Profile Joined April 2011
United States49 Posts
April 14 2015 19:56 GMT
#7575
On April 15 2015 02:22 JaKaTaKSc2 wrote:
All hotkeys should be mapped, if there not, it is an error. Each layout is made in such a way that the primary race is optimized and the off races are made to be as easy and intuitive to switch to as possible. The Random layout seeks to compromise between all the races and is not perfectly optimized for any as a result. If you have a primary race, choose the version with your primary race, otherwise choose random.


Cool, thanks Jak. How about you -- what do you personally use?

PS -- every time I look over this project, I marvel at the sheer awesomeness of it, along with TheStaircase, as well. Pure genius. Has Blizzard contacted you regarding either of these? These should be the de facto training tutorials included in the game. Why isn't TheStaircase built into SC2? Forget the 5 useless placement matches -- it should be the 5 levels of TheStaircase. Maybe we could petition Blizz to get it in.

Jak, out of curiosity, what's your educational background?
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
April 14 2015 20:10 GMT
#7576
Blizz has suggested that TheStaircase should be made into a mod, but haven't ever really commented on TheCore. I use TheCore+ RLM 2.0 (with some personal modifications).

I have a BA in Music from Rhode Island College.

Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
brook8128
Profile Joined August 2013
Korea (South)66 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-15 09:42:33
April 15 2015 09:41 GMT
#7577
[image loading]
I got placed in Master! Thank you for making RRM 2.0.
I want to see TheCore+ soon.
OvO
Borskey
Profile Joined February 2012
160 Posts
April 16 2015 17:56 GMT
#7578
What's TheCore+?

So, as a personal question, I'm getting back into SC2. Right now, I'm using TheCore ZRM 1.0 with a slight personal modification (for creep spread, from what I helped test out a loooong time ago in this thread). I saw you said not to switch to 2.0 yet, as it's only a very small improvement from 1.0. My question is, when should I switch, and how "complete" is 2.0?

I'd like a layout that's fairly stable with respect to LotV- will ZRM 1.0 require any major changes for LotV? I'm kind of assuming 2.0 is being developed with LotV in mind, whereas 1.0 wasn't really.
MyMomIsAlive
Profile Joined April 2015
2 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-19 08:37:38
April 19 2015 08:36 GMT
#7579
Hi guys! thank for the guides the Staircase is awesome and i am learnig a lot, but now i need to use the camera, the groups and all the other things to improve, so the thing is, what is better for me now, the core 1.0 or the core 2.0 or the core lite (chameleon 2.0.1)? and thank you for all Jak!, you are the best!
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
April 19 2015 17:23 GMT
#7580
If you're on a version of TheCore, stay on it. If you are not, get the most recent version. (2.0)
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
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