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Whitewing United States7483 Posts February 18 2012 00:23 GMT #81 You're forgetting that it takes a long time to upgrade air weapons, and you're going to want them upgraded eventually, so the sooner you start +1, the sooner you can start +2, and so on. You're eventually going to want broods, and you'll want those upgraded, so the more time you spend building extra mutas instead of upgrading, the longer you'll be stuck without those upgrades.

Belial88 United States5217 Posts February 18 2012 00:36 GMT #82 ^ According to the tests, you want +1 carapace, not weapons, to finish around when you have 30 mutas. So you would want to start it around 20-25 mutas, not when spire pops. +2 has even less return than +1 does, due to the bounce damage not getting any additional benefit (+1 gives +1/+1/+1 while +2 gives +1/+0/+0 damage), so you wouldn't want to get +2 until maybe 40 mutas? Or, more likely, when you get maxed and supply or macro becomes an issue. You'd rather have 30 0/0 mutas vs 3/3 marines than 29 mutas with 0/1, and 29 mutas with 0/1 than 29 mutas with 1/0.

EndOfLineTv United States741 Posts February 18 2012 00:55 GMT #83 ty for testing this out. good thread

Belial88 United States5217 Posts February 18 2012 00:58 GMT #84 ^ Np. I feel like every upgrade should have a reason for it. Every pro zerg seems to do something different, and I constantly hear toss go "rofl scrub your 0/0 I'm 3/3" after their army of 20 dies to 200/200.

Spieltor 327 Posts February 22 2012 02:44 GMT #85 except that from my own experience, 1-2 upgrades vs 2-0-0 stalkers owns them pretty bad. I dont even have to run away. See in your last example, that person could be 196/200 and have carapace and attack. which would increase the strength of the army 1.2 times at least. the only other way to do that would be usign the drone crawler cancel trick to get all those actual units. more upgrades = less money required to have the same firepower.

Belial88 United States5217 Posts February 22 2012 02:52 GMT #86 ^ Maybe 1/2 is better than 2/1 for muta vs stalker. That would be interesting to test out. I think I did a test for 2/0 vs 0/2 vs 1/1 and 1/1 was always better or equal. Against stalkers it seems they are all pretty balanced, so it's more about relative costs. Unlike muta vs muta, where 0/2 is just miles ahead of even 2/1.

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