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Arcanefrost
Belgium1257 Posts
On January 02 2012 19:22 Tommie wrote: Nexus first sucks. Colossus drops rock. But nexus first is something like 6pool, it wont work against anyone remotely competent. 4rax marine with a bunker kills it all the time. No exceptions. No it wont, check axlav's stream | ||
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TangSC
Canada1866 Posts
On January 01 2012 09:16 Alejandrisha wrote: it really helped me with my camera hotkeys because you HAVE to use them in order to do everything else you need to do while harassing so yes I approve of this message That too, really good point I hadn't thought of that. | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
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peidongyang
Canada2084 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On January 03 2012 00:40 Whitewing wrote: Alejandrisha, do you have any experience going up against an MVP.Keen style hellion build to counter your nexus first? He's been doing it with an almost 100% win rate vs. nexus first builds lately. yeah. it's really tough. you have to be watching the minimap 100% of the time for hellions at the nat and have a good spread of pylons in the main to try not to let a drop get in undetected. have at least 1 sentry in both mineral lines as well as some stalkers and whatever else you have and just try to zone out the hellions as best you can with ff/simcity/unit blocking. it's never fun and you will lose probes to it no matter what. it's just a matter of minimizing damage. | ||
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Trusty
New Zealand520 Posts
(But I am doing this from 1gate FE, so will be slower than the nexus first version) | ||
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Feos
Germany71 Posts
there are several topics here that show that you will never break it if the protoss is playing correctly. check axslav stream as mentioned before. and plz stop spreading that this is crushed by any sort of bio/scv all in. it is not. if you succeeded, gratz... you played against someone who is either bad or just not experienced enough with the build or just screwed up (micro? happens quite often, right? o_O) thx for the build... its so nice to see this warp prism micro ^^ so funny | ||
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Quochobao
United States350 Posts
would you specify how to hold with nexus first then? Or at least link to an axlav's vod please? | ||
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Feos
Germany71 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=284253 | ||
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Arcanefrost
Belgium1257 Posts
On January 03 2012 17:20 Quochobao wrote: would you specify how to hold with nexus first then? Or at least link to an axlav's vod please? http://drop.sc/54449 You just cb units out of your 2gates. Fast 3zealot then 2stalkers. | ||
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Easytouch1500
United States66 Posts
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philippo
Sweden97 Posts
http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=248404 | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On January 03 2012 23:52 Easytouch1500 wrote: Is this only viable out of a 15 nex? Could I do this out of a 1 gate FE or does that get tech up too late to actually be effective? you can do it out of any opener. I find it to be smoother out of 15 nex against the builds mentioned in the op, however. Because you have a smaller window of vulnerability between when the terran expects you to have picked a tech path and when he will be moving for his 2 base poke; ie he would want to hit you if you rushed double forge after 3 gates on a 1 gate fe but you would have more units at the same time with a 15 nex by the time a 2 base ghost push hit than you would with a 1 gate fe. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
I mean another thing about the Colossus/prism thing is scouting it and reacting. A 15 nex into quick robo isn't totally unreasonable, and it's hard to distinguish from quick colossus with lances unless you actually see the warp prism. I'd be very surprised if (assuming no allins happen) the ColossusShip fails to do damage. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On January 04 2012 06:38 Blazinghand wrote: Possibly the worst of all possible things is Colossus AI/pathing near mineral patches. I mean another thing about the Colossus/prism thing is scouting it and reacting. A 15 nex into quick robo isn't totally unreasonable, and it's hard to distinguish from quick colossus with lances unless you actually see the warp prism. I'd be very surprised if (assuming no allins happen) the ColossusShip fails to do damage. yes the first drop SHOULD do damage of at least 3-5 scvs every time as well as force scv transfer. after that, the ball is mostly in the terran's court to defend it, but this also removes his units from the map to do effectively for a few minutes. and that's all a protoss could ever hope for  | ||
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Trusty
New Zealand520 Posts
I find once a viking is out, I'm no longer doing big damage, and more just keeping a handful of marines in his base, instead of on the map.... does the range really help? | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On January 04 2012 06:53 Trusty wrote: Would it still be worth getting ColloRange, if you're only going to make 1-3 collosus? (Purely from a harassment point of view). I find once a viking is out, I'm no longer doing big damage, and more just keeping a handful of marines in his base, instead of on the map.... does the range really help? absolutely! they can out range marauders and you have 3 more pixels to harass scvs that are running away. the vikings also have to fly that much farther to hit you :D a 6 range colossus is ok for the surprise factor, but as soon as they see you drop it afterwards and it has 6 range, they just run away and your colossus does a derp dance and doesn't fire a lot of the time range just makes it so much deadlier! and non-ranged colossus later when you engage are just terrible against standard composition | ||
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Sphen5117
United States413 Posts
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