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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
December 30 2011 00:58 GMT
#21
On December 30 2011 05:34 Hossinaut wrote:
Dear Blazinghand,
How do your points relate to the point that the OP was bringing up? How would you respond to his post? Would you say that its important, as someone that isn't going to make waves with a new style of play, as someone that is looking to improve, to play and use non-standard play? Would standard play be better for doing these things in your mind, as long as he takes into account *how* some current trends will affect standard play?


Oh my Point was mostly that there does exist legitimate nonstandard play at the high level. As far as the op goes it looks like the guy wants to improve but his main goal is to have fun while doing so. All this and more is possible with nonstandard TvP. That being said a transition back to standard later would necessitate a difficult readjustment in his micro and macro unless he also practices standard regularly. Standard may be the quickest and most complete way to improve but those do not qualify it as "best" unless those are the chief standards by which you measure. Add in a subjective standard like fun and things get substantially more complicated.
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Fencar
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States2694 Posts
December 30 2011 03:30 GMT
#22
On December 30 2011 09:58 Blazinghand wrote:
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On December 30 2011 05:34 Hossinaut wrote:
Dear Blazinghand,
How do your points relate to the point that the OP was bringing up? How would you respond to his post? Would you say that its important, as someone that isn't going to make waves with a new style of play, as someone that is looking to improve, to play and use non-standard play? Would standard play be better for doing these things in your mind, as long as he takes into account *how* some current trends will affect standard play?


Oh my Point was mostly that there does exist legitimate nonstandard play at the high level. As far as the op goes it looks like the guy wants to improve but his main goal is to have fun while doing so. All this and more is possible with nonstandard TvP. That being said a transition back to standard later would necessitate a difficult readjustment in his micro and macro unless he also practices standard regularly. Standard may be the quickest and most complete way to improve but those do not qualify it as "best" unless those are the chief standards by which you measure. Add in a subjective standard like fun and things get substantially more complicated.

Hmm, actually I have one more question after all: Can I do both Bio and Sky Terran while improving? It seems like doing Sky Terran once or twice in a BoX would be extremely powerful, or on ladder, kinda like playing an 'off race' without going to that extreme. The other alternative is to just go Bio about 90% of the time, unless I'm doing some sort of all-in like the 1-1-1 to blow off steam. I don't have a huge amount of patience, and Sky Terran is extremely fun for me to blow off steam by massing super cool air units.

What are your thoughts on this?
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theonlyshaft
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States581 Posts
December 30 2011 07:00 GMT
#23
Jinro is known for his banshee/sky terran play in a lot of match-ups, but mixes it up with bio. I'd say you absolutely can mix things up. I wouldn't even worry about %s... just find which maps suit which style best, and abuse the shit out of it.

Hope the session the other night helped you btw
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Hossinaut
Profile Joined June 2011
United States453 Posts
December 30 2011 07:13 GMT
#24
Theres no reason why you can't mix in non-standard play if you're primarily practicing standard play. Specifically if you're specifically trying to have fun or blow off steam. :D

The only thing that I would recommend is to do plenty of thinking about how lessons learned in one style transitions to the other and vice versa. Inevitably, there are similarities and lessons that you can draw from.
Fencar
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States2694 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-30 12:02:58
December 30 2011 11:59 GMT
#25
On December 30 2011 16:00 theonlyshaft wrote:
Jinro is known for his banshee/sky terran play in a lot of match-ups, but mixes it up with bio. I'd say you absolutely can mix things up. I wouldn't even worry about %s... just find which maps suit which style best, and abuse the shit out of it.

Hope the session the other night helped you btw

On December 30 2011 16:13 Hossinaut wrote:
Theres no reason why you can't mix in non-standard play if you're primarily practicing standard play. Specifically if you're specifically trying to have fun or blow off steam. :D

The only thing that I would recommend is to do plenty of thinking about how lessons learned in one style transitions to the other and vice versa. Inevitably, there are similarities and lessons that you can draw from.

Thank you guys! I'll be sure to do this in TvP for sure, and eventually in TvZ and TvT as well if I find the time to learn it. ♥

Our session taught me that Multitasking is a extremely good skill to have, if you have two banshees and use them correctly you can even beat master players just through probe kills. Though, I also learned that scouting is even more important with those styles than with Bio, due to the fragile nature of the early game with Yoshi's build.

Multitasking is also a similarity between the two styles, both rely on harassing the opponent to bring out an economic lead, an army lead, or even a tech lead through drops or banshee harassment. I have not been doing very much multitasking with Bio, just because I want to end the game with sheer amount of units, akin to my TvZ play, which can also benefit from this, as I almost never do drops. Sky Terran, and everyone on teamliquid, tell me that harassment is extremely good against protoss due to their slow units, so the skills with Multitasking I learn with Sky Terran will let me drop more and more. I might even mix in banshees before four or more bases, because they're just so good!

Thank you again.
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