[G] TvP Pure Air - Page 4

On November 10 2011 01:34 Pulimuli wrote:
NTT used this in the beta and early in the game about a year ago. He pretty much went pure air and planetary fortresses every TvP and trashed players like White-Ra and Socke with it

On November 10 2011 01:29 Dragt wrote:
Great build, but im sad that you revealed it xD.
I´m playing air vs protoss for a couple of month now (bit more marine and helion heavy then u do) and have to say its a lot of fun and successful (85-90% winrating).
Your build seems more elaborate then mine and i will definitly have a very close look at it.
*Thumps up*

On November 10 2011 01:55 CreativeAlias wrote:
This seems to rely heavily on Protoss not scouting you at all...for example, 1gate expo -> 3gate robo means I can poke early enough to see that you are teching (only a handful of marines at the ramp), make a few observers because I don't need immortals right away and it never hurts to spot potential drops/expansions/pokes/whatever, then expanding once I see your PF at your natural. I now have 3 bases, and I can go for a gateway-heavy all-in if you are greedy, and if you are as defensive as you have to be, I can expand yet again. What do you do against a passive/greedy style like this?

EDIT: not PF, CC. I can take my 3rd once I see the CC and my 4th once I see the PF. My bad.

On November 10 2011 04:09 jrdn wrote:
2-0 so far with your build (high diamond). First game he must have had a real quick scout as he started going heavy phoenix off of 2 base. Was able to out expand and out produce vikings. Second game opponent went heavy robo into late-ish phoenix production. Was able to snipe off his third before it morphed in 3 times. PF at natural held the counter attack with ease. Was able to get up to 5 base to his 2.5 then I won the main engage...gg.


Couple notes from my experience:

I'm having trouble with the constant harass portion of the build. Usually I can do some damage with my first 2 banshees, but after that I get shut down pretty hard. Instead I've been forming little banshee squads (~5-7) to snipe off any attempts at expanding. Seems to be working so far.

Many toss are rage-a-holics.

Thanks for the awesome guide. Will keep you updated.

On November 10 2011 05:47 kusu wrote:
Wow thanks so much <3! definitely gonna try this out. I'll come back and report !

I'd also like to note that if you're gonna do gas first and you see him Fast Expanding, you can probably do Debo's marine-hellion shit!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_ZWg-9gsnA

On November 10 2011 10:11 RoboBob wrote:
Very interesting guide. Funnily enough, when I started playing SC2 I did something very similar all the time vs Protoss. But I stopped because although I was winning alot, the games took FOREVER to finish because they always went 3+ bases. Also because it required much more multitasking than a-moving bio balls. =)

My build wasn't nearly as refined as yours. I never transitioned to BC or built up a Raven ball. Instead I went double armory air ups. But all the core elements were there. 1-1-1 cloak opening into PF natural into PF hidden third into mass starlabs. Pure Viking/Banshee/Raven force, no Rax units, just 1 or 2 Hellion scouts.

From what I remember, the most deadly counter to this build is an early Immortal push. If you look at the replay titled "TvP Air - 3 Hidden Bases HSM", you can definitely see the weakness of this build. The platinum player could've roflstomped the natural+main with the 2 base Immortal+Gateway army easily, if he decided to engage. Instead he just turned around and went home for some unknown reason. I dunno, maybe he didn't consider that there could be a hidden third.

My biggest concern about this build is that because it opens 1-1-1 chances are pretty good the P is going to make Immortals, expecting the 1-1-1 allin. Which kinda hard counters the PF natural. But the build is still worth looking at, especially on big maps where Immortals have a long way to waddle.

Thumbs up!