EPTOn November 16 2011 03:15 Bad_Habit wrote:
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Nice respond indeed
[G] Grandmaster by 6pooling, how to - Page 26
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followZeRoX
Serbia1451 Posts
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followZeRoX
Serbia1451 Posts
On November 16 2011 03:38 bmn wrote: Who says it's supposed to be what you think it is supposed to be? Is BW free of cheese? What makes you think SC2 ever will be? Well do you know some person who is competitive player and who want to execute cheese every single game? Do you know any progamer who actually won a tournament with cheese? It's not what I think, it's purpouse of game. Sc2 is created with many tools to beat your opponent and everyone who trully love this game want to see various things. Not 6pool,4gate,3rax and other brain hurting stuff. This is only one of exploits nobody will respect you for. Therefore it's sad you guys respect 6pooling to GM. | ||
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kiLen
Finland97 Posts
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Bad_Habit
Germany243 Posts
On November 16 2011 03:54 Plansix wrote: . Now, the question if Bad_Habit is equal in skill to the other players in GM? The answer is that he is not. Because if you took away this one abusive build, he would not be able compete with them. based on facts? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Were you previously grandmaster? Can you provide replays of you beating GM players without using the 6 pool build you featured in this thread? If you have them and can beat any player using other builds, I will admit you are a talented player with some real depth. But without those, I don't think anyone will believe you are doing anything but using a build that many would consider abusive. | ||
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Bad_Habit
Germany243 Posts
unguilty until proven guilty shouldnt have posted just get tired of you special kind of ppl^^ | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 16 2011 04:37 Bad_Habit wrote: can you provide replays of me losing to copper player, without using 6pool build? unguilty until proven guilty The phrase is: Innocent until proven guilty. The problem is that you are not guilty of anything. You assert that you are GM level player by using this build. And I responded that many people consider this build to be abusive and that it is likely the sole reason for your success on the ladder. We do not need to provide replays of your losses, because we cannot force you to use a build. That is also a strawman argument, by placing the burden on me to prove you are not able to win in the GM league without go 6 pool. You know full well that no one has any ability to provide those replays. Even if someone had some aged replay of you losing, you could simply say "that was a while ago and I am better now". Demanding someone produce something that you knew they cannot find or provide does not strenghten your argument. | ||
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Bad_Habit
Germany243 Posts
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Kommatiazo
United States579 Posts
I feel like the individual builds that you listed in the OP aren't necessarily abusive (it is a legitimate argument to say so, however, IMO), but that the theme of all the builds is just the ultimate form of aggression. And depending on how your opponent reacts in game and in meta will result in the abusiveness/trolling/griefing of this play. The fact that you've made it so far with this build doesn't make me rage, it makes me laugh, but only because I realize that in caring too much about things that are out of my control, I become the helpless victim of your phenomenal griefing. Thank you for the laughs good sir, now it will be my goal to make GM not ONLY using hyper-hyper-ultra-aggressive zerg strategies, but to never ever lose to one. I tip my hat to you sir! P.S. the BeastyQT rage made my ribs hurt after an already comedic gold laden OP. So much lulz | ||
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lSasquatchl
United States309 Posts
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cosineInfinity
United States178 Posts
On November 16 2011 05:01 Bad_Habit wrote: yeah i just got tired of it, nvm im bronze. im out ...oh dear. Well. That about wraps things up... | ||
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followZeRoX
Serbia1451 Posts
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Sanhadrian
Poland33 Posts
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TheDougler
Canada8323 Posts
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Ripps
Canada97 Posts
On November 16 2011 04:32 Plansix wrote: Were you previously grandmaster? Can you provide replays of you beating GM players without using the 6 pool build you featured in this thread? If you have them and can beat any player using other builds, I will admit you are a talented player with some real depth. But without those, I don't think anyone will believe you are doing anything but using a build that many would consider abusive. This pretty much sums up the thread. If he can play the game outside this build we'll all be wrong, but he's said himself that this is all he does. As for "innocent until proven guilty"... the burden of proof is on him to show why he is good. These replays don't show much. Besides, this isn't a courtroom. This is TL. | ||
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MrAverage
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"He wins using a strategy that violates my personal set of ethics! What a noob!" SC2 provides a ladder system to help us decide who are the good players and who are the bad ones. Bad_Habit is in GM. If you are not, then he is better than you. (i.e. he wins more games against better opponents than you do.) If a particular strategy really is abusive then you are a dumb ass for not using it yourself. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 16 2011 11:48 MrAverage wrote: These threads are always great for bringing out the nerd rage. "He wins using a strategy that violates my personal set of ethics! What a noob!" SC2 provides a ladder system to help us decide who are the good players and who are the bad ones. Bad_Habit is in GM. If you are not, then he is better than you. (i.e. he wins more games against better opponents than you do.) If a particular strategy really is abusive then you are a dumb ass for not using it yourself. If you assume that being GM is a measure of how good you are at starcraft as a whole, then yes. However, if you take it as a measure of your ability to earn ladder points, it is not as good of a measure of skill. Remember, for every 45 minute marco game that is played, Bad_Habit can get in 5-10 games where he 6 pools. A single win nets you the same amount of ladder points, regardless of how long you play. | ||
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UpooPoo
United States25 Posts
You can see several mistakes that I made in this game: -Forgot to set drone rally point -Forgot to send 2 zerglings that I made to join the fight -Wasted time attacking things that didn't matter Luckily my opponent also had several mistakes. It leads to what was a very entertaining game for me. I ROFLd when the game was over, immediately wrote this post, now I am headed to work :-). Thanks for the inspiration OP!! ![[image loading]](http://www.gamereplays.org/community/uploads/repimgs/repimg-33-241827.jpg) | ||
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MrAverage
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On November 16 2011 12:11 Plansix wrote: If you assume that being GM is a measure of how good you are at starcraft as a whole, then yes. However, if you take it as a measure of your ability to earn ladder points, it is not as good of a measure of skill. Remember, for every 45 minute marco game that is played, Bad_Habit can get in 5-10 games where he 6 pools. A single win nets you the same amount of ladder points, regardless of how long you play. Because there is no real significance in how long it takes to win the game. If I play a game and it takes 7 hours to finish does that mean I must have more skill than the puny humans that finish the game in a mere 45 minutes? A longer game indicates that both players are of roughly equal skill (or possibly both suffer from an aversion to early aggression.), not that they are highly skilled. You earn ladder points for winning games and you lose ladder points for losing games. If player A consistently wins a higher percentage of games than player B then player A is better. | ||
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Ruin
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