EPT[G] Grandmaster by 6pooling, how to - Page 27
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10372 Posts
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Xenorawks
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Now they're going to say that this "strategy" doesn't help him to improve. True, but who the hell are you and why do you even give a damn? You ain't his father his coach or his freaking team manager. Now, I'll admit this "guide" kinda stinks with a huge amount of ego in it, but nevertheless I think Habit here deserves a small clap for at least sharing it with everyone. You can say he's sharing it just to show off, but you can't deny that you learnt something from here at the very least. Can you 6pool white-ra? At least that was entertaining if you didn't find it educational. Drone micro? Now that will come in handy. You might know how to do it, but do the newer players know? Isn't all this information crucial for them to learn? As long as they have brains and don't do it till GM that is, but again, it's up to them, not you. If you take a tour around Blizzard forums, one of the most famous lines you'll see there is: If you think Terran is so fucking OP, go fucking play it and stop whining. You find it abusive? Either you do it, or you suck it up. | ||
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cari-kira
Germany655 Posts
On November 16 2011 11:48 MrAverage wrote: These threads are always great for bringing out the nerd rage. "He wins using a strategy that violates my personal set of ethics! What a noob!" SC2 provides a ladder system to help us decide who are the good players and who are the bad ones. Bad_Habit is in GM. If you are not, then he is better than you. (i.e. he wins more games against better opponents than you do.) If a particular strategy really is abusive then you are a dumb ass for not using it yourself. this is wrong. since 3 month our site has a ladder the ladder counts battle.net wins and the first 1-3 players every month gets a price. what happened: last month there was a samsung galaxy pad in for th ewinner, so everyone tried to accumulate as much _fast_ wins as possible, meaning 6pool and 3rax. you would be shocked how many players got from gold to master in about 2 weeks by playing only a cheese strat over and over. does that actually mean they have master skills? no. they wil fall to gold as soon as they play normal again. playing a cheese strat may be a game for some time, bzut then the "play" part is lost and it gets "work" to only execute a strat, its no fun after some weeks. i think thats the cause we see this post here. the 6pooler has cheesed himself in GM, that was no fun, but hard work, so he wants something like e-fame as compensation. and after this he eventually will stop 6pooling, because he is tired of it and its no fun anymore. he will drop to his average ranking again when stopping 6pooling, so he is in a bit of a bind and tries to make out of it what he can. sad story. | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10372 Posts
On November 16 2011 15:33 cari-kira wrote: this is wrong. since 3 month we have a lader on taketv.net, http://taketv.net/ladder the ladder counts battle.net wins and the first 1-3 players every month gets a price. what happened: last month there was a samsung galaxy pad in for th ewinner, so everyone tried to accumulate as much _fast_ wins as possible, meaning 6pool and 3rax. you would be shocked how many players got from gold to master in about 2 weeks by playing only a cheese strat over and over. does that actually mean they have master skills? no. they wil fall to gold as soon as they play normal again. playing a cheese strat may be a game for some time, bzut then the "play" part is lost and it gets "work" to only execute a strat, its no fun after some weeks. i think thats the cause we see this post here. the 6pooler has cheesed himself in GM, that was no fun, but hard work, so he wants something like e-fame as compensation. and after this he eventually will stop 6pooling, because he is tired of it and its no fun anymore. he will drop to his average ranking again when stopping 6pooling, so he is in a bit of a bind and tries to make out of it what he can. sad story. First of all, league level only shows how good you are at the ladder, not how good you are vs players who are in that league level. Skill is only an arbitrary subjective opinion. Some people like to cheese, and some might never stop (PiQLiQ) Someone who has "master skills" in the ladder to me is someone who can compete with masters equally on the ladder, whether he cheeses or not. Also why do you speculate and judge the OP, he has already stated that he wanted to prove to his friends that such cheese to GM is possible. | ||
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Bad_Habit
Germany243 Posts
On November 16 2011 15:33 cari-kira wrote: this is wrong. since 3 month we have a lader on taketv.net, http://taketv.net/ladder the ladder counts battle.net wins and the first 1-3 players every month gets a price. what happened: last month there was a samsung galaxy pad in for th ewinner, so everyone tried to accumulate as much _fast_ wins as possible, meaning 6pool and 3rax. you would be shocked how many players got from gold to master in about 2 weeks by playing only a cheese strat over and over. does that actually mean they have master skills? no. they wil fall to gold as soon as they play normal again. playing a cheese strat may be a game for some time, bzut then the "play" part is lost and it gets "work" to only execute a strat, its no fun after some weeks. i think thats the cause we see this post here. the 6pooler has cheesed himself in GM, that was no fun, but hard work, so he wants something like e-fame as compensation. and after this he eventually will stop 6pooling, because he is tired of it and its no fun anymore. he will drop to his average ranking again when stopping 6pooling, so he is in a bit of a bind and tries to make out of it what he can. sad story. plz dont use my thread as a commercial thingy. thank you | ||
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cari-kira
Germany655 Posts
On November 16 2011 15:38 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: First of all, league level only shows how good you are at the ladder, not how good you are vs players who are in that league level. Skill is only an arbitrary subjective opinion. Some people like to cheese, and some might never stop (PiQLiQ) Someone who has "master skills" in the ladder to me is someone who can compete with masters equally on the ladder, whether he cheeses or not. Also why do you speculate and judge the OP, he has already stated that he wanted to prove to his friends that such cheese to GM is possible. what i understand so far: he gets flamed ingame, his old thread "was full of hate", so he made another thread. o0 and you try to tell me not to analyze the situation on a rational level? these things are far too interesting to not do that ^^ | ||
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cari-kira
Germany655 Posts
we really wouldnt need that. i was just backing up my words with some facts, therefore i posted the link. or are you just pissed because i dont like your style? | ||
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Bad_Habit
Germany243 Posts
On November 16 2011 15:59 cari-kira wrote: do you really think i posted that as a "commercial"? LMAO we really wouldnt need that. i was just backing up my words with some facts, therefore i posted the link. or are you just pissed because i dont like your style? oh, so you are from taketv and it actually was a commercial? OO why would i be pissed? i got enough hater :o just found the way like you posted it "last time there was a samsung whatever for the winner", well only my opinion, as we learned at least form this thread there are alot of opinions :o also if you are from taketv i wouldnt breg to much like "we wouldnt need this" and use things like CAPS LMFAOLOLCOPTERROLF, that might make you + ur "company" look a little stupid. only my opinion again | ||
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cari-kira
Germany655 Posts
anyways i just wanted to share my insights of the battle.net ladder and basically say "everyone who plays about gold level can get at least high master by cheesing over and over", and as i said the link was there for backing up these words, to just show my experience with "cheesing himself up in the ladder" -.- i dont think you are a bad person, i just think you are in a bind getting so high ranked by 6pooling. you cant stop now because your rank would eventually fall, isnt this right? and this i think is a bit sad, because at this point there is no fun for you anymore in playing the game (i think i repeated myself here) i'd love you to prove me wrong though by winning some macro games in gm;-) [edit] ok i get your point, you can misread it as "commercial". i was posting this sentence with the "galaxy pad for the winner", because that made the people go really mad and they cheesed the whole month, the winner had about 1000 wins in 4 weeks (thats 2000 games) and we saw some people (the winner, too) going from gold to master by their cheeses (6pool for him, too). i took out the link, so this ridiculous (thats why caps) "commercial" discussion stops now, because i dont think thats what this thread is about.. | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10372 Posts
On November 16 2011 15:54 cari-kira wrote: what i understand so far: he gets flamed ingame, his old thread "was full of hate", so he made another thread. o0 and you try to tell me not to analyze the situation on a rational level? these things are far too interesting to not do that ^^ I still don't understand how the extent to which he is getting flamed/BM directly connects with how much fun he chooses to have doing this cheese, and therefore how much longer it will be, if at all, that he resorts back to doing more "normal, macro" games. And I did no such thing in telling you not to analyze the situation on a rational level... speculating is making statements/opinions with no good basis. Judging the OP in a way other than accepting what he already said would also be speculating. So, getting flamed and having a lot of haters does not necessarily hint that one will neither get bored of cheesing, nor that he is trying to show off his accomplishments so he can feel good about himself. | ||
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Bad_Habit
Germany243 Posts
On November 16 2011 16:30 cari-kira wrote: no, its no commercial, we run a german site and 99% of the players are german, so this post on page 27 of a tl thread cant be a commercial, dont you agree? anyways i just wanted to share my insights of the battle.net ladder and basically say "everyone who plays about gold level can get at least high master by cheesing over and over", and as i said the link was there for backing up these words, to just show my experience with "cheesing himself up in the ladder" -.- i dont think you are a bad person, i just think you are in a bind getting so high ranked by 6pooling. you cant stop now because your rank would eventually fall, isnt this right? and this i think is a bit sad, because at this point there is no fun for you anymore in playing the game (i think i repeated myself here) i'd love you to prove me wrong though by winning some macro games in gm;-) [edit] ok i get your point, you can misread it as "commercial". i was posting this sentence with the "galaxy pad for the winner", because that made the people go really mad and they cheesed the whole month, the winner had about 1000 wins in 4 weeks (thats 2000 games) and we saw some people (the winner, too) going from gold to master by their cheeses (6pool for him, too). i took out the link, so this ridiculous (thats why caps) "commercial" discussion stops now, because i dont think thats what this thread is about.. im not into this but i doubt that a goldie is able to improve to masterleague by only 6pooling. isnt it more likely that someone used an underrated account (gold) so he gets alot of easy wins in the beginning. sure he wouldnt admit it because it is kinda cheap (mb not in the rules). so basicly when i would start of with a bronze account i would have like 250 "freewins" until im in masterleague where i would win like 60%. better dont look back on the stats of your league because i think some of the goldplayer in there are smarter than you. why dont we do a bet. lets see if a goldie can improve to masterleague in 4 weeks by the given rules i had. any goldplayer who wants to do it plz massage me. (would be nice if you would be able to stream that ppl actually can follow you) edit: i like that idea alot. going to open a post when i find some time in the evening for me today  will be interesting | ||
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Vari
United States532 Posts
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Dephy
Lithuania163 Posts
On November 16 2011 15:33 cari-kira wrote: this is wrong. since 3 month our site has a ladder the ladder counts battle.net wins and the first 1-3 players every month gets a price. what happened: last month there was a samsung galaxy pad in for th ewinner, so everyone tried to accumulate as much _fast_ wins as possible, meaning 6pool and 3rax. you would be shocked how many players got from gold to master in about 2 weeks by playing only a cheese strat over and over. does that actually mean they have master skills? no. they wil fall to gold as soon as they play normal again. playing a cheese strat may be a game for some time, bzut then the "play" part is lost and it gets "work" to only execute a strat, its no fun after some weeks. i think thats the cause we see this post here. the 6pooler has cheesed himself in GM, that was no fun, but hard work, so he wants something like e-fame as compensation. and after this he eventually will stop 6pooling, because he is tired of it and its no fun anymore. he will drop to his average ranking again when stopping 6pooling, so he is in a bit of a bind and tries to make out of it what he can. sad story. the differnce beetwen master and bronze or gold or whatever, is that master player's actually use builds, that are somewhat optimized and make sense, thats the only skill you need to be in master. 3rax or 6pool are simple builds. Ez to master optimize, thats why they reach master with them. If gold player is able to reach master with 3rax allin, i think hes on the right track to stay in master(as to stay in master you only need optimized buildorder and a timing attack), as he somewhat starts to understand the basic's of sc2, that are spend all your money, have optimized build, kill your opponent. | ||
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Mahtasooma
Germany475 Posts
On November 16 2011 15:33 cari-kira wrote: and after this he eventually will stop 6pooling, because he is tired of it and its no fun anymore. I highly doubt it will stop being funny to 6pool famous GM players, no..? | ||
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bubblegumbo
Taiwan1296 Posts
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Bad_Habit
Germany243 Posts
On November 16 2011 22:05 Morghaine wrote: I highly doubt it will stop being funny to 6pool famous GM players, no..? u mean bming them? :D jk | ||
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Ruin
United States271 Posts
On November 16 2011 15:20 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: this shit is a lot harder than it looks LOL (especially in higher levels, though if you master it, then great :D) Yeah I practiced it a ton before season 4 and when season 4 started I only did this but I only got into diamond I could never break into masters! Though with all the games I played I got like rank 7 diamond in the world lol. Shit gets so hard at a higher level. | ||
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Bad_Habit
Germany243 Posts
On November 18 2011 16:24 Ghost131 wrote: Yeah I practiced it a ton before season 4 and when season 4 started I only did this but I only got into diamond I could never break into masters! Though with all the games I played I got like rank 7 diamond in the world lol. Shit gets so hard at a higher level. reminds me of the good old buggy times when noone could get promoted (in the middle of a season) and i played on a friends account in diamond. faced atn.cloud (1st in GM) and i was favorite ^^ ended up beeing #1 in diamond in the world with ~ 1500 points. 2nd place was maka.prime (new acc it seems) with ~1200 points the 2nd place in my division had 700 points ^_^ diamond best | ||
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CatNzHat
United States1599 Posts
It's a hell of a lot harder to hold a 6 pool + drones as terran than I thought it would be, ofc if you get a wall up then it's gg, but if you don't it requires insanely good micro, instant reaction time, and a lot of hope that you didn't go gas first. If you don't wall-off it's much easier to hold though, as you can protect the marine with scvs. The barracks nerf time really fucked things up though, and I think they should revert it back simply because 11-11 rax wasn't really imba, and pretty much carries the same weight when proxied as it did before the patch (you should die going hatch first in most situations if you try to sneak drones after the hatch before your pool, but if you scout it then you have a very good chance to hold). I can see a lot of people winning with this strategy that have zero skill at all, you don't even need to know how to micro, you can just a-move and that's that. I guess I'll just have to drop my second depot faster or scout faster or something. | ||
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Thune
Austria129 Posts
its just a different playstyle of the game and nothing more or less. if u know whats coming and still u cant win than u simply are worse than ur opponent. allthough i really hate players who do this and be bm afterwards like u are. | ||
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