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zmansman17
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2567 Posts
November 18 2011 15:44 GMT
#561

This thread has lead to more 6 pools on ladder yikes!
♞ - His EKG is flattening get me a defib stat! Prepped and Ready! - ♞
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
November 18 2011 15:52 GMT
#562
On November 19 2011 00:36 Bad_Habit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2011 00:04 Cascade wrote:

I have not read the 28 pages, so sorry if i repeat, but here are a few question to you habit:
1) You say that many of your loses are from people blind countering you. Which means that you are well above 50% winrate vs "normal" openings. Where with "normal" I mean according to todays metagame. Is this because
---a) people dont know how to react to it when it comes, or
---b) the current metagame has too greedy openings?


these strats are layed out to beat the standart strats from all races. not only the greedy openings.

also i would say that u need a ton of micro and not just the strat. u will get in many different situations and u always have to react perfectly because this strat is not very forgiving


I dont think you understood the question.
Let me try to reformulate:

If the pros start training how to execute these attacks, and also how to execute the defense, would it still have an above 50% winrate?

If it would, it would force a change in metagame towards more defensive builds that can defend this rush more than 50% of the times. (it would change the Nash equilibrium if you know game theory. ) That is, if people kept playing the same builds they do now, it would be enough to rush them every game and you would beat them.

If it is enough for the pros to learn how to execute the defense (from a normal build) properly, then nothing will change, apart from the pros having to put in some extra training.
Bad_Habit
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany243 Posts
November 18 2011 16:21 GMT
#563
it would still beat prober defense expect against protoss. (unless u mean blind 2nd deposit on 12) then for sure the defense would win more than the offense
I only gg vs protoss when I'm winning
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
November 18 2011 16:45 GMT
#564
no, the question was vs the usual build in the current meta-game. If you could beat even a blind counter then you would break the game completely and blizzard would have to change things, but I hope it's not that bad.

So then you say that this will change the ZvZ and ZvT metagame at high level, as most of todays openers lose to your builds (assuming both sides execute well)?
Bad_Habit
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany243 Posts
November 18 2011 16:49 GMT
#565
no i gave an interview in germany where i mention that it wont change the proscene at all since they just dont care and feel confident with what they do. and that is good as it is
I only gg vs protoss when I'm winning
Nolot
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom271 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-18 16:50:32
November 18 2011 16:50 GMT
#566
nvm
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
November 18 2011 17:02 GMT
#567
On November 19 2011 01:49 Bad_Habit wrote:
no i gave an interview in germany where i mention that it wont change the proscene at all since they just dont care and feel confident with what they do. and that is good as it is


But you think that a zerg pro that learned to execute these rushed would win most games with it as long as the other players didn't adapt their openings? You should get some zerg pro (TLO? ) and teach him all the ins and outs. Even if other players started adapting their openers to the player, that would mean that the usual builds would be more viable, and you could do the rush less often (according to some Nash equilibrium again).

If what you say is accurate, the zergs are giving away the advantage of allowing macro-cheese from T and Z almost every game.
Bad_Habit
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany243 Posts
November 18 2011 17:18 GMT
#568
check out my replays, if i didnt mess up ive never lost a zvz vs 14/14 or 15 hatch
I only gg vs protoss when I'm winning
Steglich
Profile Joined September 2011
Denmark282 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-19 13:13:15
November 19 2011 12:47 GMT
#569
I love the ZvZ 7 pool, just owned some guy with it, that from the beginning was BM. (i glhf'ed he replied with "fuck you") Anyway i muted him right away, and after watching the replay I saw how he tried to BM afterwards ^^
I did some mistakes, but won anyway.

Here's the rep!

http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=242174

Including insults such as "you will never win against me", "pls go play tetris noob" and "u suck" - while he saw himself losing.

EDIT: This was done in high masters by the way, so it is very possible to get to grandmaster by 6-7pooling, at least in ZvZ!
Bad_Habit
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany243 Posts
November 19 2011 15:22 GMT
#570
a tip, dont commit to fast if he wouldnt have produced so many drones he would have won the game after u commited to early
I only gg vs protoss when I'm winning
Beardfish
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States525 Posts
November 19 2011 16:16 GMT
#571
Thank you for this thread. I've gotten so many free wins from bad imitators it's not even funny.
Bad_Habit
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany243 Posts
November 19 2011 18:25 GMT
#572
On November 20 2011 01:16 Beardfish wrote:
Thank you for this thread. I've gotten so many free wins from bad imitators it's not even funny.


can i ask you what league u are in? just to see where they use my shiat :D
I only gg vs protoss when I'm winning
Steglich
Profile Joined September 2011
Denmark282 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-20 23:21:53
November 20 2011 23:21 GMT
#573
On November 20 2011 00:22 Bad_Habit wrote:
a tip, dont commit to fast if he wouldnt have produced so many drones he would have won the game after u commited to early


I have no idea what you are talking about (: But I know what I did wrong. It was the first (and probably only) time that I will do this.
zmansman17
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2567 Posts
November 21 2011 07:00 GMT
#574
I hate the fact that I see on this on ladder now as a result of this thread :/
♞ - His EKG is flattening get me a defib stat! Prepped and Ready! - ♞
Makura
Profile Joined December 2010
United States317 Posts
November 21 2011 16:21 GMT
#575
lol not gonna lie.... As a masters NA zerg i was like: .... naw im not gonna look in this thread its gonna destroy my play....
Then im watching cella's stream and he 6 pool drone pulls and kills a terran and im like.... maybe the terran was bad.... then he does it again... and im like fine ill read the thread
SHOW THEM WHAT THE CATFISH COMBO IS ALL ABOUT!
nDragan
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada31 Posts
November 21 2011 21:37 GMT
#576
On November 21 2011 16:00 zmansman17 wrote:
I hate the fact that I see on this on ladder now as a result of this thread :/


u mad?
Simonius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany98 Posts
November 22 2011 18:09 GMT
#577
Only good thing about your thread is now that it doesn't work on ladder anymore. You can't get past diamond with this set of tactics now because everybody is basically prepared. No protoss loses to 6 pool anymore even with forge first. They all put mineral pylon blind now.
Beijer
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden28 Posts
November 22 2011 20:22 GMT
#578
Nice thread with alot of useful tips and strats!
Shadrak
Profile Joined August 2010
United States490 Posts
November 22 2011 20:44 GMT
#579
As a Zerg who frequently 9 pools ZvZ, I approve of this thread!
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
November 22 2011 20:47 GMT
#580
hahaha avilo rage, hilarious.
:)
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