[G] Grandmaster by 6pooling, how to - Page 24

On November 13 2011 14:56 Shinta) wrote:

LOL GrandMasters is a broken league, as was made extremely easy to get into if you just played games on the day of the patch. If you didn't play games on the day of the patch, then you had a hard to getting GM, but if you did, you easily got into GM with just a few decent wins.
Broken league.... GM doesn't mean jack shit. So many noobs in NA GM this seasons.

On November 13 2011 14:15 Fairchild wrote:
I've seen this thread so many times and until 24 hours ago I never read it through.

Since last night I've been promoted to masters using only 6 pool vs T/P and your ZvZ 7pool.

I've gotta say, thank you!!

I'm done cheesing, I just wanted to get over the gap. Been top 8 diamond for 2 seasons and had enough.

Thank you

On November 14 2011 19:30 satsang wrote:
Bad_Habit, thank you very much for this thread. I've never 6 pooled before.I am high master zerg in EU. I've decided to try your strats and i have seen that there is a huge difference between someone like me and you. I ended dropping almost to diamond :D. You sir have the best micro i have ever seen. So this thread helped me realize the game on a deeper level. Thank you.
For the haters of this thread how is that any different from protoss and terrean allins? It is just as allin.

On November 15 2011 06:40 Ripps wrote:
Anyone congratulating or saying this guys is good is being blinded by the flashy gold GM badge. Real achievement isn't measured in leagues. It's not measured in wins or badges or portraits or any of that crap and if you think it is you're playing the wrong game. This game is about skill.

I don't think any of OP's accomplishments are worth anything. People often accuse video games of getting people hooked by offering a "false sense of accomplishment." I think Starcraft is different. To channel Day[9], Starcraft is a game that requires more than "lackadaisical button pushing", it requires the fine-motor skills of a musician and the imaginative though processes of a chess player. To put it simply, STARCRAFT IS HARD.

Day[9] says that the reason he felt so proud when he won the WCG Pan American Championship is because he got so good at something so hard. That's real achievement. This build will never give you the same feeling. It is easily defended if you know it's coming. Why would you want to accomplish this? What value does it have? It's not esports. It's not skillful. It's stupid. People will not improve if they do this strategy. If you want to be a Starcraft player, this is not the build for you. As Bad_Habit's manner shows, this is a build for pieces of trash.

On November 15 2011 06:48 Warlock40 wrote:


lol this is probably one of the guys who BMs everyone on ladder because they're all noobs except for him. Look mate, did you even read the OP, or did you start typing your monologue the moment you saw "6 pool"?

On November 15 2011 08:38 Ripps wrote:


I've read it more than once. I'm very manner.

Instead of trying to psycoanalyze me over the internet, just answer these questions:
Does this build help make you a better player?
What happens when people expect this build (like, say, in a tournament format)?

By answering these two questions, you should be able to figure out whether this strat is "good" or whether this guy is a "good" player.

On November 15 2011 08:38 Ripps wrote:


I've read it more than once. I'm very manner.

Instead of trying to psycoanalyze me over the internet, just answer these questions:
Does this build help make you a better player?
What happens when people expect this build (like, say, in a tournament format)?

By answering these two questions, you should be able to figure out whether this strat is "good" or whether this guy is a "good" player.

On November 15 2011 14:38 CapnAmerica wrote:


To answer your questions...

Does this build help make you a better player?

Yes, this will 100% make you a better player. Unit micro allows you to turn resources into wins. If you don't have these fundamental micro abilities you will lose to someone who can macro as proficiently as you can, every time.

What happens when people expect this build (like, say, in a tournament format)?

If your opponents expect this build, you have already won. One possible build order has forced them into avoiding greedy play -- if they go for it, they could lose everything. If they have to play standard and safe, then you can afford to be greedy or play standard yourself and not go into a macro game at a disadvantage because you couldn't punish risky play.

In addition to both of these things, knowing how to play like this prevents you from straight up losing ZvZs (that you honestly shouldn't) and gives you stronger worker micro skills that can be used to harass, deny expansions, and secure an advantage. The difference between mastering a 6 pool and mastering "macor play" is that with the 6 pool you are focusing on two specific skillsets: early game decision making and unit control. Unit control is pretty damn important in SC2. Early game decision making can cause you to win or lose major tournaments (think of all the games IdrA loses to bunker rushes).

So, yes, 6 pool (7pool zvz) is a good strategy. Bad_Habit is also an exceptional player (as showcased in the VOD against White-Ra).

He's exceptional for the sole reason that he has devoted massive amounts of time to something that doesn't really make him a good player.