EPTThe difference is taht this build really doesnt have any good defense. I mean what could White Ra have done differently except memorize your name and prepare for it next time?
[G] Grandmaster by 6pooling, how to - Page 22
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zmansman17
United States2567 Posts
The difference is taht this build really doesnt have any good defense. I mean what could White Ra have done differently except memorize your name and prepare for it next time? | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On November 12 2011 01:35 zmansman17 wrote: Ya well I had this happen to me on ladder and it was very annoying how strong it was. Also you cannot 3 rax into GM I gaurantee you that. Maybe at one point, but the scoutign and defense has since developed. The difference is taht this build really doesnt have any good defense. I mean what could White Ra have done differently except memorize your name and prepare for it next time? counterscout the overlord, scout the right base first, win. | ||
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jax1492
United States1632 Posts
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MtlGuitarist97
United States1539 Posts
WhiteRa is such a nice guy though. I'm surprised he didn't get mad even a little. Just goes to show you that some of these guys are the nicest in the gaming community. Gj getting to GM with these strats  | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
If you run into him on ladder, bm him back, or get pissed, or post a blog about it. Great. But this is the sc2 strat section, personality and bm and manner have no place here. You can PM your rage about it, but I'm really irritated that there are 21 pages worth, from 22 pages, of people just qq'ing and saying they don't like the guy, so therefore he should be censored. It's like kicking off the football coach of the winner of the world cup because he's sometimes rude. And god forbid you meet someone in real life or have to work with someone you don't like. You going to beg someone to kick them out too? I dont understand how offensive hold position can possibly work. It's confusing in his post because he says 'towers' (a warcraft 3 term for static defense, I posted in this thread asking him about it and he answers) and his english isn't perfect, but 'aggressive hold position' means when the opponent does defensive hold position around a 'tower', you hold position too.... so here, let me explain: Opponent does 'defensive hold position' around a warping cannon. What this means is makes a cannon, and then right clicks all his probes to surround it, and then hits hold position. What this means is that your drones will aggro to the morphing cannon, because workers are never targeted if a hostile unit is present, and a static defense building is considered hostile, even if it isn't imminently hostile. What this means is when you a-move with your drones, they will just bounce around because the probes are on hold position blocking the way, and your drones won't attack the probes because they aren't currently hostile. So in order to 'counter' this, you attack the cannon so your drones go for a surround. Then, you hit hold position so your drones stop bouncing around and are in a good aggressive surround. Then you micro each worker onto the enemy probes with a right click onto each probe (or attack command issued specifically from eaach drone to each probe). With attack into hold position, your drones will get into a good surround, and then you micro each drone and attack and they die off quickly. The opponent will probably a-move in response, so you can just a-move back. The best thing for them to do is probably run away via mineral walk, which gives you opportunity to attack the 'tower'. | ||
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Kiri
United States84 Posts
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
You send an overlord to one position, a drone to another. If it's not at one of those bases, then it's obvious which one it's at. He also said he bases where he goes if he runs into a scout or not. Like against protoss he just send his drone somewhere and if he doesnt meet anyone halfway he goes somewhere else he said, because they send a scout at 9 usually. You can also send the overlord on the correct route and if no scout comes from that direction you can tell if they are there or not. And I'm sure he misses it in some games, to the 1% of zerg who maybe dont go scout a base first (in zvz on larger maps I send my overlords to the middle, for example). But if you can say which game is questionable we can look at it. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On November 12 2011 06:13 Kiri wrote: In some of your replays before your drone even scouts the opposite base of the overlord and before the overlord scouts anything you automatically send everything to his base.... You're obviously maphacking behind this Well, at some point if you haven't scouted the opponent yet, you have to blindly decide where to send your stuff. The times he sent it wrong are losses and therefore obviously not in the replaypack... | ||
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chrissummers
243 Posts
On November 12 2011 06:26 Big J wrote: Well, at some point if you haven't scouted the opponent yet, you have to blindly decide where to send your stuff. The times he sent it wrong are losses and therefore obviously not in the replaypack... so guessing where the opponent is and running there, having either a direct loss or a good chance to win is regarded a "strategy" and therefore has its place in this forum? So the soccer team that just attacks with all players, even the keeper is a team with a "strategy" worth talking about? | ||
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Bad_Habit
Germany243 Posts
On November 12 2011 06:45 chrissummers wrote: so guessing where the opponent is and running there, having either a direct loss or a good chance to win is regarded a "strategy" and therefore has its place in this forum? So the soccer team that just attacks with all players, even the keeper is a team with a "strategy" worth talking about? oliver kahn, former munich keeper, once made a goal with his hands! didnt count tho. i guess it came up in some football strategy forum since in some cases it might be helpful. just stop trying to find out silly things about me. i noticed by now u dont really like me. | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
If you have an NA account, it'd be nice if we played some games, maybe we could show how to hold 6 pool with hatch first. Or not. | ||
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K_osss
United States113 Posts
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Arghnews
United Kingdom169 Posts
when the most known cheeser himself gets cheesed you're not calling TLO cheesy are you? there's a difference between cheesy and innovative, no matter how small. TLO COULD play a "standard" game and do very well, that's the point, a cheeser can't really rely on that. Calling TLO cheesy is like calling SlayerS_BoxeR cheesy. Nah... | ||
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Bad_Habit
Germany243 Posts
On November 12 2011 08:35 Arghnews wrote: you're not calling TLO cheesy are you? there's a difference between cheesy and innovative, no matter how small. TLO COULD play a "standard" game and do very well, that's the point, a cheeser can't really rely on that. Calling TLO cheesy is like calling SlayerS_BoxeR cheesy. Nah... never said hes a bad player, but you are wrong there sir | ||
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Simonius
Germany98 Posts
On November 12 2011 08:35 Arghnews wrote: Calling TLO cheesy is like calling SlayerS_BoxeR cheesy. Nah... Boxer is obviously the cheesiesed Proterran I've ever seen in SC2. It's not like he cheeses to throw his opponents of when they expect a normal game. He just cheeses because of his inability to play straight up macro games against equally rated opponents. Idra for example. @Bad_Habit. I wonder how much of a difference there is in between getting master and grandmaster with this set of strats. Judging from the pro replays you provided even the best ladder heros seem to handle these strats pretty awfully. Could it be possible that there isn't even a huge difference between getting to gm when you've made it to master with it? | ||
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CapnAmerica
United States508 Posts
Cool stuff. Also, sorry about the mixup earlier ^^ | ||
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brotlov
Australia128 Posts
On November 10 2011 15:18 Belial88 wrote: Bad habit answer my question T_T (about how to deal with a morphing spine when going hatch first, and if/how/when you should make your own as the hatch firster vs 6 pool). I'd also appreciate if you looked at this replay and tell me what i did right and wrong. I went hatch first, he went 6 pool, and I won. He didn't make a spine, but it seems like he did your variation of 6 pool. I also think he was kind of dumb, and I think I didn't handle it perfectly correctly, so it was closer than it should have been. ![[image loading]](http://www.gamereplays.org/community/uploads/repimgs/repimg-33-241114.jpg) Man, no offense, but you sort of a douche in that game. Calling an offensive GG, and then saying "owned" when the guy was obviously complimenting your hold, was pretty bm | ||
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synd
Bulgaria586 Posts
just kidding!.. but seriously this ain't gonna get you far. Reaching GM and staying there are completely different things. Players will start to know you and be aware of your cheesy play and that's where your "run" ends. :/ | ||
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SchfiftyFive
United States131 Posts
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Detwiler
United States239 Posts
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