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Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
November 11 2011 08:34 GMT
#401
Jesus, how in the fuck am I supposed to deny Terran wall? I try everything and my timings are right, but he just sends 2 SCVs to kill my drone and walls in, and once the wall is done I'm just fucked.

Only gold so far with this but it works 90% against Protoss/Zerg, but like 10% against Terran.
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
November 11 2011 08:40 GMT
#402
On November 11 2011 17:26 SchfiftyFive wrote:
I've lost to quite a bit of these de-lovely strats, my favorite is the one on xel naga where u chrono out your zealot and wall off after scouting the 6-9 pool and then becuz of pathing issues ur zealot warps in behind ur wall even tho ur rallied to the front, hilariously theres absolutely nothing at all you can do about it, so yay i lose points to some douche but i know i will almost never encounter it in a tournament so i say my piece with the ****er and move on


i mean...thats great but are you expecting people to think its cool that you rage vs. 6 pool? and btw you can run into a 6 pool in tournament play. just ask Moon about that, or Idra, or many others..
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-11 09:12:45
November 11 2011 09:11 GMT
#403
On November 11 2011 17:26 SchfiftyFive wrote:
I've lost to quite a bit of these de-lovely strats, my favorite is the one on xel naga where u chrono out your zealot and wall off after scouting the 6-9 pool and then becuz of pathing issues ur zealot warps in behind ur wall even tho ur rallied to the front, hilariously theres absolutely nothing at all you can do about it, so yay i lose points to some douche but i know i will almost never encounter it in a tournament so i say my piece with the ****er and move on

Then you're doing it wrong...
You build a second gateway (rather early, so it has enough HP) and a pylon (rather late). You cancel the pylon when your zealot pops out and now you have a 2x gateway 1x zealot wall.

against 9+ pool, you can also build a forge and build a canon and the canon should finish in time to save the gateway from going down...

just watch what the pros do, if what you do doesn't work, it's really not that hard. You lose against it once, you go to a forum... you have just become cheeseproof! (if you don't open greedy); if you're still losing, you have to work on your mechanics!
ShaneFeit
Profile Joined August 2011
92 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-11 09:16:08
November 11 2011 09:15 GMT
#404
On November 11 2011 18:11 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2011 17:26 SchfiftyFive wrote:
I've lost to quite a bit of these de-lovely strats, my favorite is the one on xel naga where u chrono out your zealot and wall off after scouting the 6-9 pool and then becuz of pathing issues ur zealot warps in behind ur wall even tho ur rallied to the front, hilariously theres absolutely nothing at all you can do about it, so yay i lose points to some douche but i know i will almost never encounter it in a tournament so i say my piece with the ****er and move on

Then you're doing it wrong...
You build a second gateway (rather early, so it has enough HP) and a pylon (rather late). You cancel the pylon when your zealot pops out and now you have a 2x gateway 1x zealot wall.

against 9+ pool, you can also build a forge and build a canon and the canon should finish in time to save the gateway from going down...

just watch what the pros do, if what you do doesn't work, it's really not that hard. You lose against it once, you go to a forum... you have just become cheeseproof! (if you don't open greedy); if you're still losing, you have to work on your mechanics!


Watch the game vs WhiteRa where he does this and beats Bad_Habit
Stoffelhase
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany162 Posts
November 11 2011 09:19 GMT
#405
It always takes the game further ahead when someone tries to perfect a single strategy. If this should lead to everyone doing it at ladder and succeeding with it (like korean 4gating with the 40second wg research in beta), then blizzard will patch it. Noone wants 6 pool do become a viable standard strategy, so its nice there is some more discussion about the strengts and weaknesses now.

your bm sadly turns all this around and i cant like you anymore
NexCa
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany954 Posts
November 11 2011 10:03 GMT
#406
On November 11 2011 07:58 Beijer wrote:
Hey, are you in GM skill level without 6/7 pool?


dont think so
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Betschi
Profile Joined October 2011
6 Posts
November 11 2011 10:34 GMT
#407
Great Thred Habit! But on which maps u have a veto?
Rainmansc
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands216 Posts
November 11 2011 10:35 GMT
#408
Wow this thread gave me some nice insight on how to perfeclty stop all drone rushes =)
secretary bird
Profile Joined September 2011
447 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-11 10:55:53
November 11 2011 10:52 GMT
#409
Do you ever feel like you've wasted your time by using a repetitive, boring strat that a trained monkey could do only so you can get high on ladder which nobody cares about and now you cant play ladder anymore because your MMR is much better than it should be? Just curious.

Edit: I dont mean to insult I just dunno if emulating you is a good idea for the new players in this thread.
chrissummers
Profile Joined March 2011
243 Posts
November 11 2011 14:22 GMT
#410
I just watched some of the replays and I hope this thread gets closed and the OP won't get any attention anymore.

1. He lies about his Wc3 background. He never was a former proplayer but a manager for some smaller teams. He tries to take credit for something that is not true.

2. He is highly unfriendly in his games, often talks bullshit, offends the opponent etc.

3. His playstyle is purely based on rolling the dice. Every build he does can easily be countered and there are a lot of "build order losses" with his builds. From what I have seen ( 6-7 games ), his micro is not very good. SO WHY THE HELL GIVE THIS GUY CREDIT?

http://www.esl.eu/eu/player/2504007/
Look at his former sc2 amateur series skills: 3-11 against mostly bad amateur players. ( +1 default win )

There is no way for me to NOT call this guy pathetic. Somebody who 6/7 pools for several months is not worth a thread or attention. Especially if he is such a unworthy person.
Bad_Habit
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany243 Posts
November 11 2011 14:29 GMT
#411
On November 11 2011 23:22 chrissummers wrote:


There is no way for me to NOT call this guy pathetic. Somebody who 6/7 pools for several months is not worth a thread or attention. Especially if he is such a unworthy person.


so...........................................................................
thanks for the attention O_O
I only gg vs protoss when I'm winning
kiLen
Profile Joined April 2011
Finland97 Posts
November 11 2011 14:36 GMT
#412
I have seen threads about cheating getting less hate than this thread.
Why do you hate on this so much?
LotV HyPe
iNViCiOUZ
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany364 Posts
November 11 2011 14:47 GMT
#413
OMG

I never followed the WC3 scene but i know Grubby and Madfrog!

Hello there Madfrog :D
Was quite some fun to watch these replays and especially the timings (200 minerals build pool etc).
Xalorian
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada433 Posts
November 11 2011 14:47 GMT
#414
On November 11 2011 23:22 chrissummers wrote:
I just watched some of the replays and I hope this thread gets closed and the OP won't get any attention anymore.

1. He lies about his Wc3 background. He never was a former proplayer but a manager for some smaller teams. He tries to take credit for something that is not true.

2. He is highly unfriendly in his games, often talks bullshit, offends the opponent etc.

3. His playstyle is purely based on rolling the dice. Every build he does can easily be countered and there are a lot of "build order losses" with his builds. From what I have seen ( 6-7 games ), his micro is not very good. SO WHY THE HELL GIVE THIS GUY CREDIT?

http://www.esl.eu/eu/player/2504007/
Look at his former sc2 amateur series skills: 3-11 against mostly bad amateur players. ( +1 default win )

There is no way for me to NOT call this guy pathetic. Somebody who 6/7 pools for several months is not worth a thread or attention. Especially if he is such a unworthy person.


Wow... what is your problem, seriously?

He made a thread about 6-7 pooling, saying that perfectly executed it could put you in GM. And he is right.

He is really good at it, and teach peoples how to do it. For god sake, because of it, you can even be better at defending 6 pooling by reading this post.

He is not a pro-player, so what is your problem, really? He likes 6 pooling and teach peoples how to execute/defend them well. Should you six pool every games just because someone got into GM because of it? No. Is it a nice thing to know how to execute well/defend well to throw at your opponent to surprise him? Yes.

Why giving him credits? Not because he is the best players out there or even a pro players, but because he took the time to make quite a good tutorial about it, to help people understanding it as much as he does, instead of just keeping all this for himself.

And why on earth should we care about is WC3 background? We are on SC2 community websites, not WC3.

So...we should hate him and close is thread (a good nicely done one) because you hate six pool and because he raged in a couple of games?

I'm sure that you are raging a lot too in game, since you are even raging at a guy on TL forum for... quite not much. So you should understand that, don't you?

Grow up...
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-11 14:55:25
November 11 2011 14:51 GMT
#415
Pure dronerushing looks odd to me. You lose time traveling and mining time. A protoss can just skip any gate or forge and mass probes untill he has critical advantage while dodging battles especially in narrow places like between nexus and minerals. Drones are only like 5 hp better than probes, not big deal really. This is the equivalent of having 6,32% more workers in battle.
ShoCK77
Profile Joined September 2010
45 Posts
November 11 2011 15:03 GMT
#416
On November 11 2011 23:47 iNViCiOUZ wrote:
OMG

I never followed the WC3 scene but i know Grubby and Madfrog!

Hello there Madfrog :D
Was quite some fun to watch these replays and especially the timings (200 minerals build pool etc).


he is not madfrog ~_~
SeriouR
Profile Joined November 2010
Spain622 Posts
November 11 2011 15:47 GMT
#417
Omg, i don't reallly know how am i suposedd to beat this as toss who opens gate...kill the pylon like mc did?
Trance music makes the fairys dance
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-12 00:06:32
November 11 2011 15:51 GMT
#418
Wait, does this micro hold position trick work for normal units?

Edit: it doesnt. Basicly the unit priority is the same for combat units which are attacking. The order which they are carrying out (attack move, hold position or just standing and shooting at whatever comes close) is irrelevant. I made a test with probes and... they dont attack other probes at all when issued a hold position command even if the other probes attack them. It looks like hold position on probes works just like stop command + they dont move. I dont understand how offensive hold position can possibly work.

Edit2: I also ran some tests on probes vs drones. 15 probes beat 14 drones in open space (no micro, just a-move) with 3-6 probes staying alive. 14 probes vs 14 drones the result is vice versa: 3-5 drones stay alive. You can see how 1 additional probe makes huge difference.

P.S. can we please have no more of those useless posts saying how much people dislike cheese and cheesers?
Bad_Habit
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany243 Posts
November 11 2011 15:53 GMT
#419
added new vods
I only gg vs protoss when I'm winning
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-11 15:58:55
November 11 2011 15:54 GMT
#420
And no one saw that even White-Ra said it was a good build oorder. And he said it IN THIS THREAD =>

On November 11 2011 09:06 White-Ra wrote:
This is good bo, id toss make mistake little eazy win


I would have be more pleased as others if the op wasn't pushing the bm. Responding to bm is one thing but provoking is another.
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