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[G] Grandmaster by 6pooling, how to - Page 19
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Bad_Habit
Germany243 Posts
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.Sic.
Korea (South)497 Posts
Good work man! i am impressed by your micro :D | ||
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slytown
Korea (South)1411 Posts
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xTNodub
United States84 Posts
Anyone who studies your play would have you ousted in a millisecond. I agree that your build is effective on ladder, but entirely ineffective in a competitive format. Gratz on GM though.... | ||
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ALPINA
3791 Posts
On November 10 2011 15:51 xTNodub wrote: The problem with your build is that it only works in a bo1 scenario... Anyone who studies your play would have you ousted in a millisecond. I agree that your build is effective on ladder, but entirely ineffective in a competitive format. Gratz on GM though.... you can say same about pretty much every cheese. If know that cheese is coming even before it is comming you often can defend it. | ||
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Elefes
Russian Federation164 Posts
It's still kinda confusing that you try hard to execute perfectly a build, that's popular only due to the cute simplicity/efficiency ratio o_O. Pervert detected! :D | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
On November 10 2011 08:01 UmiNotsuki wrote: Queued up my first ladder game in a week or so today, hoping for a fun game. ZvZ. Fucking 6 pool. Well, so much for me playing SC2. How fucking odd is it that people will queue up for one game and then throw their hands in the air and stop playing because it is a 6 pool (poorly executed) that they lost to? Who are you people that get ready for a 1 game session on the ladder as if it were a momentous occasion? Just re-queue. | ||
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CookieMaker
Canada880 Posts
Your timings are crisp, and it shows that a defender's timings must be equally as crisp, as it comes down to mere seconds every game. Thank you for also showing insight into the strategy's weaknesses, that was helpful also. I don't recommend posting any replays where you are BM in chat though. That goes against community standards and makes you look worse IMO than demonstrating how a single aggressive strategy (albeit considered cheesy) can effectively succeed on ladder. Please refrain from posting BM replays, and I suggest you reconsider the ones you have already posted. | ||
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THM
Bulgaria1131 Posts
What do you do if you're playing a ZvZ vs someone who is doing the exact same build as you? Also, what do you do vs someone that is going 6 or 7 pool but leaving his drones to mine? | ||
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Bad_Habit
Germany243 Posts
On November 11 2011 00:11 THM wrote: I have a question. What do you do if you're playing a ZvZ vs someone who is doing the exact same build as you? Also, what do you do vs someone that is going 6 or 7 pool but leaving his drones to mine? this strat cannot win other cheeses, its a bo loss vs any kind of pool before 13. if you would back off with ur drones (they will be like in the middle of the map already) u have a big disadvantage so if the other player would just keep on producing lings u couldnt defend it, not even with wastin another 100 minerals (what is a ton in the early with low eco) into a spine. experienced this quite often actually. didnt win a game ^^ | ||
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THM
Bulgaria1131 Posts
On November 11 2011 00:26 Bad_Habit wrote: this strat cannot win other cheeses, its a bo loss vs any kind of pool before 13. if you would back off with ur drones (they will be like in the middle of the map already) u have a big disadvantage so if the other player would just keep on producing lings u couldnt defend it, not even with wastin another 100 minerals (what is a ton in the early with low eco) into a spine. experienced this quite often actually. didnt win a game ^^ Okay, so I lose vs 6/7 pool without drones. What if he brought his drones as well and we meet somewhere on the map ? Just back off until he's almost in my main and then fight so that if it turns to a 1 drone vs 1 drone situation or sth like that my drone is closer to my hatch and will get back faster to mine? | ||
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EggYsc2
620 Posts
ezpz. Ill try to get it to GM (I had my own 2 masters accounts before this) It works i think if youre good. My friends did this and they are in gold/plat and they didnt do to well. I dont reccomend this to players that dont know how to macro first. Remeber macro first and cheese later. | ||
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Sandermatt
Switzerland1365 Posts
On November 10 2011 08:01 UmiNotsuki wrote: Queued up my first ladder game in a week or so today, hoping for a fun game. ZvZ. Fucking 6 pool. Well, so much for me playing SC2. If you play it safe and don't go hatch first, this should have been an easy and fast win. | ||
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Bad_Habit
Germany243 Posts
On November 11 2011 00:35 THM wrote: Okay, so I lose vs 6/7 pool without drones. What if he brought his drones as well and we meet somewhere on the map ? Just back off until he's almost in my main and then fight so that if it turns to a 1 drone vs 1 drone situation or sth like that my drone is closer to my hatch and will get back faster to mine? since im very confident that i can win him in a maicro battle i would not turn back. just camp his minerals and kill his main so theres no way he can mine and get an advantage^^ | ||
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TeH_CaRnAg3
United States239 Posts
I see 6pool and other cheeses as dumb as hell to do unless your playing in a tournament and it's bo3/5/7 and you throw 1 cheesey game in there to mess with your opponant. But on the ladder, where people are trying to practice, it's a waste of everyones time involved. BUT,that is my personal view on it. I have no problem with people wanting to 6pool every game or do what ever you can for wins, because it's making me better by having to deal with these random cheesey situations. But I just don't think it's something anyone should practice unless your bming your friend who just started playing =P BM and cheeses imo slow the growth of this game. | ||
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PiGStarcraft
Australia1003 Posts
On November 10 2011 15:31 .Sic. wrote: There's no way anyone can call off his guide as stupid and cheesy, because it'll help all of us learn how to micro properly against early pools and drone rushes. Good work man! i am impressed by your micro :D Couldn't have said it better myself! I've been decimating 6 pools for a few months now using that 'hold position' trick except with 'stop' as it does the same thing. Still going to go through this bit-by-bit and see what get what I can from it though! | ||
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ForeverSleep
Canada920 Posts
EDIT: you already mentioned it. | ||
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chestnutcc
India429 Posts
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vahgar.r24
India465 Posts
Vs toss why not get lings at 7/10 why 6/10? | ||
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Simonius
Germany98 Posts
Could you pls elaborate on the 12 drone rush against terran though? I've faced some terrans who instantly pull about all their workers when my first 2 arrive when I try the 6 pool worker allin strat...... AND could you please provide a replay where you get your pool down at anything close to 37 seconds? It seems utterly impossible to me to get it down before 41-42 seconds depending on map. Even 39 seconds would sound really impressive.... | ||
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