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On November 12 2011 09:42 brotlov wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 15:18 Belial88 wrote:Bad habit answer my question T_T (about how to deal with a morphing spine when going hatch first, and if/how/when you should make your own as the hatch firster vs 6 pool). I'd also appreciate if you looked at this replay and tell me what i did right and wrong. I went hatch first, he went 6 pool, and I won. He didn't make a spine, but it seems like he did your variation of 6 pool. I also think he was kind of dumb, and I think I didn't handle it perfectly correctly, so it was closer than it should have been. ![[image loading]](http://www.gamereplays.org/community/uploads/repimgs/repimg-33-241114.jpg) Man, no offense, but you sort of a douche in that game. Calling an offensive GG, and then saying "owned" when the guy was obviously complimenting your hold, was pretty bm
Ya that seemed inappropriate yet are criticizing others for being inappropriate. In my opinion, I think people have good reason to be upset. The difference between this build and a well executed build is that this build really leaves a FFE build defenseless, if microed perfectly.
Even as OP said, 15 scvs lose to 12 drones because drones can hold position regen health and fight again, similar to micro wars. Of course it must be executed well, but why should a 12 drone strategy be able to beat the likes of White Ra and any player for that matter of any caliber at least once. I mean all you can do is memorize this guys name and prepare the next time
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So your the reason people have been drone rushing me lately. The best defense against it is once you see him pull drones just chrono workers as toss cancel everything but your pylon of course and then just kill all his drones with your probes. If he tries to run go probe rush him :D I killed a guys hatch like that.
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Ya that seemed inappropriate yet are criticizing others for being inappropriate. In my opinion, I think people have good reason to be upset. The difference between this build and a well executed build is that this build really leaves a FFE build defenseless, if microed perfectly.
I'm criticizing others for derailing this thread that should be objectively discussed as a strategy, in the strat forum, not because they have any inclination to dislike this guy. There's 22 pages of this thread being filled with people saying they dont like him, yea after one guy posted a useless post saying only that is enough, the rest keep to questions or discuss the strat or counter-strat please.
I also really don't care how BM people are when I'm browsing TL. I want to learn how to get better at this game when I'm in the strat forum, and discuss strategy. Unless the thread is "How to metagame your opponent based on in-game chat", I think it's as irrelevant as what you had for breakfast what happened in regards to manners.
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was rank 50 masters when i started doing this now i'm Rank 27 Masters guys this is Legit cheesing like a Boss (if you have Boss Micro) Gets you wins
http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/398020/XRaDiiX
Look at my MMR/Points go Up Exponentially
I beat a rank 8,6 Masters Terran with 6 pool on Ladder make sure to send ur first worker at 1:20 or maybe a lil earlier or u could get Fucked Also send all ur workers at 150 mineral to make the 6 lings like said in the Blog....
Put all Smallest Maps in your Ladder Map Pool like i did... Your preferences i guess though if u want Tal'Darim...
So right now i'm In Top 2000 of Masters League in NA...
Repeat again not 86 masters Terran. I actually 6 Pooled and Beat rank 8 and Rank 6 Masters Terrans.. LOL WITH 6 POOL!
They Raged so hard it was hilarious i offensive GG'ed one time so i could see why one of them got pissed... Its hell a fun...
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I agree with the OP his ZvZ build is really strong... its better than 8 pool double spine Rush... OP is a Cheese GOD!
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Good thing I walloff 11/11 every game. Sucks for you!
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nicely written guide, but still... no offense, but tbh this is nothing you should be proud of sorry...
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How come most of your wins against pros are on XelNaga? Ofc rush distance is short/it's pretty obvious where your opponent is but still every time I try to cheese on this map in such a blatantly obvious I get scouted early and hardcountered......Are pros that greedy that they just tend to scout later?
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Great thread. It's amusing to see all the angry posters in here. Really exposes their lack of maturity & humility.
"Your strat is so cheap! I would beat you in a "real"/"macro"/"nr20" game! You have no skill!"
Lol.
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Bruce Lee once said:
I fear not the man who has practiced 10000 kicks once, but one kick 10000 times.
You don't have to have a ton of strategies if you can master one 
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On November 12 2011 00:51 Cheerio wrote:
Edit: it doesnt. Basicly the unit priority is the same for combat units which are attacking. The order which they are carrying out (attack move, hold position or just standing and shooting at whatever comes close) is irrelevant. I made a test with probes and... they dont attack other probes at all when issued a hold position command even if the other probes attack them. It looks like hold position on probes works just like stop command + they dont move. I dont understand how offensive hold position can possibly work.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I read this to mean that you are issuing a Hold Position command then waiting for your drone to attack again on its own?
I haven't tested this myself, not having any particular interest in mastering 6pool. But the trick as written is:
Hold Position
A-move (or attack closest probe/scv/drone)
The idea is to lose aggro, then immediately start attacking again, achieving the same goal as pulling a drone and re-issuing the attack command, but saving the travel time.
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If you can get to GM by doing a 6pool, then by all means do it - if you're skilled enough to make it, you deserve it. Still, I feel like this blind type of aggression is the wrong way to approach improving at SC2. While it does improve some of the basic micro mechanics and macro mechanics, it doesn't practice these fundamentals as much as, say, a 2base timing or 3base timing would. Early cheese should be a tool in every competitive sc2 players arsenal, but it shouldn't be the only thing they practice!
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On November 12 2011 00:51 Cheerio wrote:
Edit2: I also ran some tests on probes vs drones. 15 probes beat 14 drones in open space (no micro, just a-move) with 3-6 probes staying alive. 14 probes vs 14 drones the result is vice versa: 3-5 drones stay alive. You can see how 1 additional probe makes huge difference.
No offense, but you sure did read the OP correctly ?
Basically Belial said everything about the "tower"'s thing. Now about drones against probes, what bad_habit means is, i don't know why, but having some drones on hold position basically stop the others probes attacking at this particular drone. So even if you simply A-moved ur 15 probes against my 14 drones i'd easily win that fight. Not sure if you understand by i can always make a replay for you...
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On November 12 2011 19:53 Simonius wrote:
How come most of your wins against pros are on XelNaga? Ofc rush distance is short/it's pretty obvious where your opponent is but still every time I try to cheese on this map in such a blatantly obvious I get scouted early and hardcountered......Are pros that greedy that they just tend to scout later?
i think xelnaga is a bad map for this cheese and it would be my next veto. the rush distance isnt to small and i think its one of the maps i have negative stats on. but its like the only map i prefer dronerush over early pools
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guess the strat doesnt have much staying power, his last 2 1v1s on EU were against whitera, both were lost to whitera..
gg white-ra
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On November 13 2011 06:29 Artimo wrote:
guess the strat doesnt have much staying power, his last 2 1v1s on EU were against whitera, both were lost to whitera..
gg white-ra
one was thrown away ^_^
and both were my eco 7pool, ur free to check the mainpost for the vod
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My very first time trying this.. I think I'm about to piss a whole bunch of people off, starting with my aptly named opponent Enraged
http://www.mediafire.com/?l8lrg6bi21ypb3d
p.s. can someone evaluate how I did? what I need to work on, etc. because I know I didn't pull it off perfectly. But that's what practice is for of course 
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I've seen this thread so many times and until 24 hours ago I never read it through.
Since last night I've been promoted to masters using only 6 pool vs T/P and your ZvZ 7pool.
I've gotta say, thank you!!
I'm done cheesing, I just wanted to get over the gap. Been top 8 diamond for 2 seasons and had enough.
Thank you 
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man I hate getting 6pooled!! lol
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EPT
