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Hey all,
Masters P here, and I have been having a very tough time with PvT recently, because Terran players have discovered this unit called the ghost, which is, admittedly, a pretty good unit for a pretty good race ;-)
But as I was watching the IEM MainStage match between MC and Puma on Terminus, I almost lost my head and clapped out loud here in the silent Penn State University computer lab! MC picked up and dropped High Templars out of a Warp Prism, which had the speed upgrade, to dodge EMPs. The only thing I wish MC would have done is invested in a second warp prism once he had gotten the speed upgrade for some DT harass or storm drops. But all the same.
Has MC just figured out the cure to EMPs? With proper control could this at the very least force Terrans to invest in 6-10 ghosts to lay down EMPs instead of obliterating half of the hitpoints of the Protoss army with 2-4 ghosts?
Would love to hear your thoughts!!
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Only problem is that viking will shut down warp prisms completely and warp prisms are very fragile also so you need to be super careful. I would say that it is kinda situational to use warp prism + ht combo, but super cool tho :>
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It's good and helps protoss dodge emp's although I'd like to see how different things would be if puma built 1-2 vikings, with there long range the warp prism would be vulnerable to being sniped.
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It is more of a situational gamble more than anything else. Warp prism are so fragile and versus terrans who have the easiest time killing flying units, its not worth the risk.
The counter to ghosts is still splitting up your units and proper micro along with some scouting observers to try and feedback first.
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I think it would be fair if you changed the title into : "PvT Warp Prism HT Micro -HerO- ", because MC himself said, that he started to use it after he saw his team mate HerO doing it on ladder/custom games. He said that after last game vs Select, in interview with Mr.Bitter on IEM main stage.
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I think it might be good, but warp prisms are easily sniped by vikings i think. But i play terran not protoss, so I don't know that much about protoss micro.
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Hasn't this been around a while? I remember HuK doing it on his stream about a month ago, i think...
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Huk was doing this before, and the idea of this has been there since BW (slow AoE units aka Reavers loaded up into Shuttles).
It is definitely worth it if you can do it, and have practiced it so you can micro well, but of course that also means less apm for macro and other things. It's up to you, and depends on the situation. However, the real solution would just to get Colossi. Because as we all know, Vikings > Colossi and HT > Viking and Ghost > HT, but using a warp prism can lessen the disadvantage the protoss has when it is a HT vs Ghost battle. Really though, since you need Robo Bay for both WP speed and Colossi, it makes sense that WP (Colossi tech basically) should help against Ghosts (and with really good micro, possibly turn the tide of battle to the Protoss' side despite Ghost > HT).
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id love too see something similar with infestors, because zerg gets drop anyways and has alot of overlords to hide the overlord with the infestors
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It requires a very high level of micro to pull off, which doesn't apply to the vast majority of us. Otherwise, the prism will just get sniped in half a second (because marines are so good).
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i think will be usefull with a buff in shield of hearth otherwise... read next...
protoss the micro intense race, this are the requirement before engaging Proper FF, Guardian Shield, Spread army (avoid Emp), Control your Stalkers focusing on important units, Warp prism drop in the middle of the battle and Feedback + Storm THIS REQUIRES INSANE AMOUNT OF CONCENTRATION AND APM.
mean while Terran 1A+Stim ^^
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On August 22 2011 02:52 EliteReplay wrote:
i think will be usefull with a buff in shield of hearth otherwise... read next...
protoss the micro intense race, this are the requirement before engaging Proper FF, Guardian Shield, Spread army (avoid Emp), Control your Stalkers focusing on important units, Warp prism drop in the middle of the battle and Feedback + Storm THIS REQUIRES INSANE AMOUNT OF CONCENTRATION AND APM.
mean while Terran 1A+Stim ^^
Lol, no need to bash Terran, their micro and multitasking can be very impressive. I do agree that the warp prism - Templar play is an advanced tactic that is beyond many of us mere mortals.
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On August 22 2011 02:52 EliteReplay wrote:
i think will be usefull with a buff in shield of hearth otherwise... read next...
protoss the micro intense race, this are the requirement before engaging Proper FF, Guardian Shield, Spread army (avoid Emp), Control your Stalkers focusing on important units, Warp prism drop in the middle of the battle and Feedback + Storm THIS REQUIRES INSANE AMOUNT OF CONCENTRATION AND APM.
mean while Terran 1A+Stim ^^
not at all biased(i'm joking, you're completely wrong and should go post somewhere else)
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On August 22 2011 02:52 EliteReplay wrote:
i think will be usefull with a buff in shield of hearth otherwise... read next...
protoss the micro intense race, this are the requirement before engaging Proper FF, Guardian Shield, Spread army (avoid Emp), Control your Stalkers focusing on important units, Warp prism drop in the middle of the battle and Feedback + Storm THIS REQUIRES INSANE AMOUNT OF CONCENTRATION AND APM.
mean while Terran 1A+Stim ^^
you do realise you can take that sentance switch out protoss words for terran ones pretty effortlessly.
and then toss just 1A'a with few ff or tt... right?
On the warp prism use, it seems really micro intensive but it was working fine until speed kicked in an it charged head first into marines :S
I also thought that fight was going to be lopsided as crap in the other direction but upgrades and the prism dying along with cargo kind of changed that i guess.
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HuK has been doing this like 3 months ago on streams. The only problem is that if your wp gets sniped there goes your entire engagement...
The best way to really tackle this is to drop the hts before you commit, but otherwise its just a really gimmicky strategy which can really screw you over beyond recovery for the slightest messup.
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On August 22 2011 02:52 EliteReplay wrote:
i think will be usefull with a buff in shield of hearth otherwise... read next...
protoss the micro intense race, this are the requirement before engaging Proper FF, Guardian Shield, Spread army (avoid Emp), Control your Stalkers focusing on important units, Warp prism drop in the middle of the battle and Feedback + Storm THIS REQUIRES INSANE AMOUNT OF CONCENTRATION AND APM.
mean while Terran 1A+Stim ^^
Well its certanly exaggerated, but not at all false. the protoss 1a myth emerged when all protoss was doing was collossus, but it does not apply to gateway styles. I agree, splitting the high templar requires more skill than clicking on a location to epm, frankly emp does more damage, is instant, removes energy and has a larger area of effect. Blizzard designed ghosts to be the counter to ht, ironically ghost are more dangerous than hts...
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Putting high templars in warp prisms to save them from EMPs and being sniped is not a new concept, its just that if they have any sort of anti air (which is likely since vikings and marines are common) the warp prism will die in a second
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I don't think this is really viable in any league besides high masters to grandmasters because most people won't have the apm to micro the warp prism while still controlling their army properly. Also it's incredibly risky because the warp prism is made of glass and could be easily picked off, so unless the prism gets like a health increase I don't think it'll be commonly used.
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I saw White-Ra did this a lot on his stream. This is a very 'micro'-demanding tactic. It is great fun to see pros doing it.
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I first saw HuK do it, vs MVP. So i've been doing it since. Not smart if they have vikings, obv. But if they only have two, often it will just be focusing the colo or smth. Cute little tactic, but I feel so safe / not worried when i have my ht in a ship
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