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SuperSloth
Profile Joined April 2012
38 Posts
July 30 2012 23:24 GMT
#6341
Can anyone tell me anything about the proxy factory/starport in TvT? Ive seen people do it and i was wondering if anyone else had tried it.
Paria
Profile Joined February 2012
France19 Posts
July 30 2012 23:38 GMT
#6342
I've seen a lot of marine/hellion drop in TvT in the last days, is this build the new "thing" in this match up ?
chambertin
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1704 Posts
July 30 2012 23:40 GMT
#6343
On July 31 2012 08:38 Paria wrote:
I've seen a lot of marine/hellion drop in TvT in the last days, is this build the new "thing" in this match up ?


Are you playing on EU? because ditto.

It's def. been around but it seems particularly popular right now... it's pretty damn good against 1raxFE -> doublegas
"I know one thing, that I know nothing" - Socrates?
chambertin
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1704 Posts
July 30 2012 23:41 GMT
#6344
On July 31 2012 08:24 SuperSloth wrote:
Can anyone tell me anything about the proxy factory/starport in TvT? Ive seen people do it and i was wondering if anyone else had tried it.


You might need to ba little bit more descriptive... are you talking about proxy banshee/ proxy hellion drop/ proxy siege tank viking ?
"I know one thing, that I know nothing" - Socrates?
SuperSloth
Profile Joined April 2012
38 Posts
July 30 2012 23:50 GMT
#6345
On July 31 2012 08:41 chambertin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 08:24 SuperSloth wrote:
Can anyone tell me anything about the proxy factory/starport in TvT? Ive seen people do it and i was wondering if anyone else had tried it.


You might need to ba little bit more descriptive... are you talking about proxy banshee/ proxy hellion drop/ proxy siege tank viking ?



Well i don't know about any of them. Which one is the best to do?
siii
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway251 Posts
July 31 2012 00:23 GMT
#6346
Lately lots of zergs have been doing completely random baneling bust timings from 3 base, and I really can't seem to scout them nor hold them. I open with a 1 rax fe in to 3 rax and a combatshield timing on their 3rd, if they take one that is. So I don't have any hellions nor banshees around for map control/scouting. Actually they often do theese of 2 base aswell if I manage to kill their 3rd with my timing. Any ideas on how to scout hold theese?
Paria
Profile Joined February 2012
France19 Posts
July 31 2012 01:21 GMT
#6347
On July 31 2012 08:40 chambertin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 08:38 Paria wrote:
I've seen a lot of marine/hellion drop in TvT in the last days, is this build the new "thing" in this match up ?


Are you playing on EU? because ditto.

It's def. been around but it seems particularly popular right now... it's pretty damn good against 1raxFE -> doublegas

I do.

Maybe I'll give it a try, it has quite hurt me in my last TvTs, as I always try to 1 rax FE.
iAmJeffReY
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4262 Posts
July 31 2012 02:28 GMT
#6348
On July 31 2012 08:40 chambertin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 08:38 Paria wrote:
I've seen a lot of marine/hellion drop in TvT in the last days, is this build the new "thing" in this match up ?


Are you playing on EU? because ditto.

It's def. been around but it seems particularly popular right now... it's pretty damn good against 1raxFE -> doublegas

Get a tech lab and a tank, and be fine. Tanks deflect any kind of ______/hellion elevator attack, even unsieged.
Unbiased biased terran abuser Jeffrey. Sorry for the rage, friend!
dynwar7
Profile Joined May 2011
1983 Posts
July 31 2012 07:05 GMT
#6349
I am still looking for some replays of TvT where one goes bio, and uses nukes to force unsiege? I would love to see this to get an idea. Or if my request is too hard, then it does not have to be pro player. Any high level games are fine.
Regarding the imbalance, hilarious to see Zergs defending themselves....
StateofReverie
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States633 Posts
July 31 2012 07:30 GMT
#6350
On July 31 2012 16:05 dynwar7 wrote:
I am still looking for some replays of TvT where one goes bio, and uses nukes to force unsiege? I would love to see this to get an idea. Or if my request is too hard, then it does not have to be pro player. Any high level games are fine.

Hey I can't link you directly but day9 did a tvt recently of taeja vs uh I think bomber or some other high level Korean in a tvt on metropolis. It's one of his recent vods so just look it up shouldn't be hard ^^
dynwar7
Profile Joined May 2011
1983 Posts
July 31 2012 08:02 GMT
#6351
Thank you stateofreverie

So, it is day 9 doing taeja and bomber?

On a side note, for mech, is it possible to be aggressive quite early? I mean, it is commonly known that mech is turtle hard...defensive...until 200/200. But can you be aggressive? Maybe with 2 starports and banshees harrassing?

I just absolutely love doing aggressive play, that is why I go bio in tvp AND tvz....I go tankless in tvz.

However in tvt...i am just pretty tired getting beaten by tanks.....whether it be marine tank or mech... so thats why i would love to see those replays and that added question above
Regarding the imbalance, hilarious to see Zergs defending themselves....
Dogvomit
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom10 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-31 08:18:58
July 31 2012 08:18 GMT
#6352
Morning chaps,

I am a silver league terran and I came across a protoss build that I fould rather difficult to deal with, basically the protoss player went mass zealot with upgrade and charge and he made shed loads. Any idea of a terren comp that can deal with this. Here the link to the game don't look at the macro and sateration

https://docs.google.com/?tab=wo&authuser=0&pli=1#home
origin sucks
iAmJeffReY
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4262 Posts
July 31 2012 09:10 GMT
#6353
On July 31 2012 17:02 dynwar7 wrote:
Thank you stateofreverie

So, it is day 9 doing taeja and bomber?

On a side note, for mech, is it possible to be aggressive quite early? I mean, it is commonly known that mech is turtle hard...defensive...until 200/200. But can you be aggressive? Maybe with 2 starports and banshees harrassing?

I just absolutely love doing aggressive play, that is why I go bio in tvp AND tvz....I go tankless in tvz.

However in tvt...i am just pretty tired getting beaten by tanks.....whether it be marine tank or mech... so thats why i would love to see those replays and that added question above

Open bio then. If you see marine tank, you have to get some tanks to match his tank count. Straight up bio has a incredibly hard time against marine tank. Against mech is a different story, though. A bio army can take a mech army.
Unbiased biased terran abuser Jeffrey. Sorry for the rage, friend!
Willzzz
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom774 Posts
July 31 2012 09:12 GMT
#6354
On July 31 2012 17:18 Dogvomit wrote:
Morning chaps,

I am a silver league terran and I came across a protoss build that I fould rather difficult to deal with, basically the protoss player went mass zealot with upgrade and charge and he made shed loads. Any idea of a terren comp that can deal with this. Here the link to the game don't look at the macro and sateration

https://docs.google.com/?tab=wo&authuser=0&pli=1#home



Marines and supply depots!

Just don't try to engage this comp in the open. The only way to win is to force fights at favourable locations, such as at small chokes between buildings. This can be at your base or his. If he can't get surface area on your marines he can't do the DPS he needs to kill them.

Don't wall off completely or the depots will die really fast, leave small gaps such that only 1-2 zealots can fit through at a time.

Once you get a large enough army you can kill him regardless, although beware that he will have teched into some AOE behind it, probably storm, so scout and prepare accordingly. In fact keep harassing with drops as this will both scout and do damage with no risk.
forsakeNXE
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany539 Posts
July 31 2012 10:45 GMT
#6355
Hey,

I have seen something that i would call a late 2rax stim timing push.
Basically it's 1rax fe into 1gas (maybe even 13 gas) into another gas afterwards and get reactor rax + rax with tl to tech up to medivacs afterwards (on 2 rax).

Is there any replay/vod/guide where this is explained and layed out to try it myself? I only found the one game from thorzain vs seiplo(?) in game one from dreamhack stream but there he got 4gated and i would like to see how it playes out and what the transitions are.

Thanks alot for your help!
Let's learn together!
StateofReverie
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States633 Posts
July 31 2012 16:08 GMT
#6356
hey i pmed hou the link to day9s daily but ill post it here again
http://day9.tv/d/Day9/day9-daily-478-liquidtaeja-tvt-games/
AveiMil
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway138 Posts
July 31 2012 16:34 GMT
#6357
I've been away from the scene for over a year now and just started playing again. I need some solid build orders to start practicing my macro/mechanics again. Can someone please briefly go over 3 good/standard economy builds I can start using on the ladder for TvZ, TvP and TvT?

Just looking for well balanced economy builds.
ilve
StateofReverie
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States633 Posts
July 31 2012 16:39 GMT
#6358
tvz 1 rax expand into 2 base pressure
tvp 1 rax expand into 3 rax 1030 timing
tvt 1 rax expand into 3 rax fast meds into marine/tank
AveiMil
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway138 Posts
July 31 2012 16:43 GMT
#6359
That's a start, thanks, but I could need a bit more detail build order wise. If you could elaborate or link me to a BO resource or replays that use those builds I'd appreciate it.
ilve
StateofReverie
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States633 Posts
July 31 2012 16:50 GMT
#6360
1 rax expand is really the safest and most economic build. you get
10 supply
12 rax
scout before rax is done
15 orbital
with next 300 minerals(after first marine is building) make command center at natural
18/19 supply depot
add 2 more rax
add 1 gas
orbital at natural
add 2nd gas
have a bunker started by 3:45 for tvp, dont really need it in tvt early on and habe a bunker built by 5;30 in tvz shojld be fine
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