EPTSURE there's only one of them, but it's DEATHLY I TELL YOUUUUUU
seriously though cool job gg etc
[G] Warden’s TvP 1:1:1 into "Terran Death Ball" - Page 3
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Hollis
United States505 Posts
SURE there's only one of them, but it's DEATHLY I TELL YOUUUUUU seriously though cool job gg etc | ||
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epikAnglory
United States1120 Posts
Quick question, how does this build react to the Naniwa 2 gate expand build with 4 Stalkers, a Sentry for Guardian Shield, and a Zealot? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=217567 It seems like I can easily run past the Bunker with a Guardian Shield and if I do manage to through it, I will either just straight up kill you or get at least 6 SCV kills. Your guide says if you see such thing, you would go for a Thor all in, however the Naniwa build should kill reactor-Barracks Thor-All ins straight up (without a wall). It is a all-in-all great build, don't get me wrong. It is just that I always open with that build against Terran most of the time, and I would like to know how my opening would do against it. | ||
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Midgetman101
United States825 Posts
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iAmJeffReY
United States4262 Posts
Very nice write up warden- -- thank ya | ||
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Leaky
United States176 Posts
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Tenspeed
Sweden28 Posts
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kathode
United States265 Posts
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WardenSC
Canada210 Posts
Wow, definately going to try this, you beat like all of the top NA tosses with this... Very impresssed. What do you do when the toss gets really heavy upgrades? Ive noticed that you are not heavy at all. It seems like if he can hold out til 3-3 he can then punish you for not being so heavy. Also, how does this fair agaisnt immortal/archon/HT builds? Ive noticed that this build amazinginly and simply enough seems to solve the collsi problem because PDD keeps your vikings alive to do the damage they need rather than them just getting picked off. Watch my game vs cruncher where he is 2/2 and I am only +1 on infantry I think. As I expand into 3rd and 4th, I would concentrate on going upgrade heavy. Also watch rep#20 vs FXOSLoG for my play vs HT/archon/immortal play. I have talked about dealing with HT based builds on the guide. In replay #18: Why did you go for 4 Rax 1 Fax 1 Starport? What made you go for a additional Rax instead of BF Helions? Because in that game I was really low on gas as I made the mistake of not getting 3rd and 4th gas on my natural base quickly enough. I was very mineral heavy that game as bubbles continued to harass my addons with blink stalkers. I've also talked about how to defend vs it in the replay analysis. Quick question, how does this build react to the Naniwa 2 gate expand build with 4 Stalkers, a Sentry for Guardian Shield, and a Zealot? I don't go for thor all in when protoss goes 2 gate expand. I go thor all in when the protoss player either goes 1 gate cyber into expo or nexus first builds. I think I have 2 replays vs minigun and optikzero where they both go 2 gate pressure into expand build. You can watch that to see how I reacted/defended. I consider that among protoss "safe" builds and go into mid game with intention of building "Terran Death Ball". | ||
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Penatronic
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sirrobert5
United Kingdom62 Posts
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naventus
United States1339 Posts
How do you deal with splitting upgrades? I feel like tanks are OK if you manual target the stalkers, but check this - a ghost for a similar cost will do more AOE instantly. | ||
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WardenSC
Canada210 Posts
PS: I'm from Korea if that's what you wanted to hear. | ||
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KingOfAmerica
United States246 Posts
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Moja
United States313 Posts
. This also reminded me of the power of PDD vs stalkers...Just wanted to ask how important you think the siege tanks are to this strategy? I find them very cumbersome vs protoss because 1) you end up splashing your own units a lot vs chargelots, 2) they lose a TON of effectiveness if you get caught unsieged, 3) they greatly slow down your push, allowing protoss more time to reinforce, 4) because of how they work you're very vulnerable to counterattacks. Do you feel like the tanks are essential to your success with this build? Thanks for the build and LOVE the early game opener analysis! | ||
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RippuL
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binski
United States225 Posts
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Trump
United States350 Posts
On June 13 2011 09:56 naventus wrote: Found the reading builds part helpful, but I don't buy the viability of the composition. I would imagine there's a reason no top korean T's invest in more than MMGV. How do you deal with splitting upgrades? I feel like tanks are OK if you manual target the stalkers, but check this - a ghost for a similar cost will do more AOE instantly. Really? Ima let you finish, but MMMGV is the best composition of all time. OF ALL TIME! This army composition has the potential to turn the mentality of tvp on its heels. You can fight a "straight up" fight, head on, with this Terran Death Ball. You can't* with MMMGV. Somebody's gotta be the first mover. There were quite a few games here that I watched in which MMMGV would have gotten melted but the sturdier biomech got what looked to me as "surprising" victories. | ||
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Shankapotamus
United States428 Posts
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Blamajama
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naventus
United States1339 Posts
On June 13 2011 11:55 Trump wrote: Really? This army composition has the potential to turn the mentality of tvp on its heels. You can fight a "straight up" fight, head on, with this Terran Death Ball. You can't* with MMMGV. Somebody's gotta be the first mover. There were quite a few games here that I watched in which MMMGV would have gotten melted but the sturdier biomech got what looked to me as "surprising" victories. This is false. With full EMPs and the appropriate number of viking, T 200 can definitely trade evenly against P 200. There was a recent game on taldarim where one of the top T got up to like 5-6 base with extra orbitals, threw away some SCVs, and just stood on MGV. I don't see the advantage of tanks, if you think back a few months to GSL like 3 seasons ago, or maybe beta, every T was doing tank oriented builds. They do less DPS than vikings against colossus, do not have any positioning advantage, and you would have to splash stalkers standing underneath as you claim (but often those don't stand together). -- Re: OP. I don't want you to take offense, but viability of a composition when players are not particularly prepared for it, and not at the highest skill of the game should be questioned. If you can take a 5set off of MC, or demonstrate tournament viability, that is an entirely beast to surprising people on the ladder. | ||
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