EPT[G]Worker Splitting & Improving Mining efficiency - Page 2
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LambtrOn
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indigoawareness
Slovakia273 Posts
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Gao Xi
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Moonling
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tehemperorer
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genius_man16
United States749 Posts
 I've been doing this for awhile, but I never really thought it mattered that much, I just did it cuz the pro's did. Haha. It would be interesting for someone to test and see if there really is that much gained from doing this. One thing I've wondered is if it's better to queue the worker before sending the 6 to mine or after? | ||
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tehemperorer
United States2183 Posts
On April 13 2011 06:06 genius_man16 wrote: I'm surprised no one has made a guide for this yet. Very well done though I've been doing this for awhile, but I never really thought it mattered that much, I just did it cuz the pro's did. Haha. It would be interesting for someone to test and see if there really is that much gained from doing this. One thing I've wondered is if it's better to queue the worker before sending the 6 to mine or after? Queue first, split 2nd | ||
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PowerDes
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FryBender
United States290 Posts
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Lasbike
France2888 Posts
I'm high diamond and it's thanks to guys like you and little tips here and there that i'll eventually become a better player | ||
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.kv
United States2332 Posts
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gavinashun
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So the sequence is: - Nexus/CC - worker queue - Select all workers (maybe with F1?) - Send all to key patch 1 - Box 3 and send to key patch 2 Is that right Thanks! | ||
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Jermstuddog
United States2231 Posts
On April 13 2011 06:16 FryBender wrote: I do this but sometimes even after the workers have been doubled up after about two or three trips back and forth they'll move over to the farther patch again. Any idea why that happens. Is there something that I'm doing wrong? Some mineral patches are so close that 2 workers is actually over saturation. If this is the case, your workers will slowly get to the point where one worker gets to the mineral patch early enough that the AI decides it would be faster for it to move to an un-mined patch. Learning to recognize these patches and properly manage them is also very critical to proper mineral stacking. | ||
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Alejandrisha
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freetgy
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asd125172
United States52 Posts
On April 13 2011 06:31 .kv wrote: ugh you shouldn't click the mineral patch you posted in your image but actually the third mineral patch IMO...it's closer Determining which mineral patch to click entirely depends on how the workers are desynchronized, not how "closer" the mineral patch is. I simply chose to take that mineral patch first because it would boost my mining efficiency without losing too much mining time. | ||
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Kambing
United States1176 Posts
On April 13 2011 05:37 TheAwesomeAll wrote: sometimes when I stack mine, the probe decides to wander off regardless, a bit later. Anyone else has this or am i doing something wrong? The way the worker AI functions from what I can tell is that there is a "estimated wait" threshold that dictates whether the worker decides to wait at a patch or go off and find a better patch. If you send a worker to mine a patch and it gets there and discovers that the probe mining the patch will take longer than the threshold time, it will go off and ruin your day. In the case of where there are open mineral patches, the threshold is very low, so you have to spam a bit. Furthermore as the op hints it, if the travel time of the spammed probe is a bit longer to the base than the original probe (e.g., because the spamming shifted the probe a little off center), then on its second mining trip, it may decide to go find a new home because of the delay. Because of this, it is much less error-prone to mineral stack after you have one probe at each patch because the threshold time is bigger. However, you lose a bit of the benefit of stacking since probes 7 and 8 will be mining far patches instead of near ones. | ||
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Cow
Canada1104 Posts
Only downside to this was the first time I played on Tal'Darim Altar I was so thrown off by the mineral layout that I fucked up my split >_>;; Personally, I prefer to start stacking my workers starting on the 9th worker, to avoid frustration with workers re-desyncing after lining them up properly. As of late, I've also been trying to perfect the habit of only taking far mineral patch workers when putting them into gas. It can be troublesome at times though I must admit. On April 13 2011 05:47 CecilSunkure wrote: I'm able to get 10 minerals leftover when I order my second probe. Same here, it's a fantastic feeling LOL | ||
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Badfatpanda
United States9719 Posts
On April 13 2011 05:42 tehemperorer wrote: It really only matters in PvP in my opinion, and even then, it factors in to about .01% of the whole game. It has been discussed to death, however. Here's an example of my split that I believe is the best way to do it, but isn't optimal on ST, TDAltar, or SPlateau because of the mineral patch locations: http://www.justin.tv/tehemperorer/b/282593761 jump to 40 seconds, split is at 45 My opinion is that it is better to occupy all mineral patches before doubling up, since if you make a mistake you have drifting probes which equal no mining at all. I prefer in this case to play it safe and not lose mining time from the beginning of the game. I find that it is equally useful in Terran MUs because of the need for workers to be away from mining to build, it gives a bit of an edge when you can squeeze a bit more out of your early game. | ||
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Rhyme
United States1069 Posts
On April 13 2011 07:04 Badfatpanda wrote: I find that it is equally useful in Terran MUs because of the need for workers to be away from mining to build, it gives a bit of an edge when you can squeeze a bit more out of your early game. it's not just PvP; for Zerg (as someone mentioned) the faster you can hit 50 minerals in the early game, the faster you can make drones. with proper stacking i can make 2 drones at the same time after my 9 ovie spawns, with too much bouncing i have to wait a second or two between the drones. it's not a big deal, but as cecile mentioned, it's best to practice good habits! | ||
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