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PorkyPlague797
United States31 Posts
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Jotoco
Brazil1342 Posts
On March 10 2011 08:23 Staboteur wrote: I'm scratching my head wondering why you'd try get early brood lords. I feel like ZvZ you'd be better of with a muta swarm if you were planning on going air, as a muta swarm would come out faster, be far far more mobile and quite a bit cheaper than brood lords while being just as punishing to your opponent's lack of anti-air. I'm not the OP, but he says it is a P and T only build, and I use something similar and in ZvZ it is suicide. On March 10 2011 08:23 Staboteur wrote: ZvP a broodlord push coming before colossus would be kind of ridiculous, but my gut is telling me that it'd be a pretty small if any window to hit. Once the 9 range colossus come out protoss gains the power to force you to retreat (or lose your ground army), your brood lords become a liability, as you can't retreat without losing them. You could argue that you could have corruptors in there as well to pick off the colossus... but then why are the brood lords there at all? It comes at almost the same time as Lance Colossus. Give or take some 30s. And Broodlords are surprisingly good against Colossus. So, if your enemy doesn't have air, don't be afraid to morph every corruptor to Broodlord. But if he has Voids/Phoenixes, obviously you need more Corruptors. And here, one important thing is, without blink the stalkers can't really get to the broodlords, because all of the lings/broodlings in the way. And if he has blink, simply hold back your lings, wait for the blink and surround the stalkers while they are on cooldown, they will take a couple broods out, but at the cost of most or all the stalkers. This works because any zealot with stay behind because they can't blink and won't be meat shields for Stalkers. On March 10 2011 08:23 Staboteur wrote: and ZvT you're sacrificing all your mobility to break his marine/tank line, which can be done with ling/bane/muta anyways. I'm an idiot and probably dumber than I realize, but I just can't see brood lords fitting into any sane Zerg push. They're slow, extremely time-costly to reproduce and force you to use your army to defend them or lose. They feel all-in whenever they hit the field, because if you fight with them and lose the battle, they're dead with no hope of recovery... and they were extremely costly to produce. ... eh, maybe it could work. ling/bane/corruptor/broodlord, rush 3/3 ground (broodlings get the ups) for a ridiculous push against protoss. Still, it'd be hard to justify getting broodlords over ultras, there. Idk. Against Terran you rely on 2 things: 1 - 3/3 ling/banelings/broodlings TEAR through marines, and tank fire will help you kill marines faster. Really, siege tanks sieged are worse for Terran than zerg in this composition; 2 - Air Carapace (for me, at least) Marines take FOREVER to kill 0/2 or 0/3 broodlords. Chances are that your 3/3 ground and their own siege tanks will kill then before. and it is a LOT harder to rebuild your army as Terran than zerg. You can trade evenly with Terran and you're supposed to have better income, eventually you overrun him. The response I got from Terrans, mostly are 2, Mass Vikings or Mass Thors. Neither work well. Corruptors will win in a straight up fight, and even then, your lings will be in their base killing everything because he can't make enough anti-ground forces. And thors don't do SHIT against Broods with upgrade. The correct response from Terran is Hellion/Marine, actually. And from Protoss is Zealot/Void Ray/sentry/Templar, not necessarily all of then, but at least zealot + 1 anti-air (voids or templar), as Broods are slow, templar do well against then, as they ignore armor. | ||
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PorkyPlague797
United States31 Posts
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DeepCorrupted
United States84 Posts
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PorkyPlague797
United States31 Posts
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undyinglight
United States611 Posts
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DeepCorrupted
United States84 Posts
On March 10 2011 08:37 PorkyPlague797 wrote: that sounds good too, Deep. do corruptors work alright against more then one void though? well just check out my replay you have to have A LOT of corruptors and you also need to make sure you focus fire and corrupt them. If you don't, you essentially have to make another batch, but the thing is that its best to go Roach/tunneling/Corruptors into Roach/Brood Lord into Zergling/Corruptor, at least thats what i found best. | ||
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PorkyPlague797
United States31 Posts
I really liked the idea of having the overseers and corruptors to kill obs, then you could use burrow micro more effectively. | ||
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PorkyPlague797
United States31 Posts
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Udub
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1. Stalker collo (gold level "deathball") can already own u fast enough since collosus rape both broodlings and lings. After all ur lings are gon, they just have to blink in and clean up ur broodlords. 2. A 6 gate push with timing charged lot (a diamond+ level play) can already owned ur ling spine army before you even get your broods morphed. 3. Forge first fast expand put toss way ahead of you in econ since you have only lings. A full block (gate forge core) + 2 cannon behind guarantee they are safe for EVER, since you go only broods anyway dont you? Then switch to 5 gates 2 stargate production, With mainly zealots and a few supporting stalker and sentries (from the 4 gates) and 2 stargate just do 2 void and the rest phoenix (Startale AcE's build) can owned you before you even get your infestation pit up, as it hits around 7:50. (Master level play) Now I read the entire thread. I saw you saying "yea im noob so dont trash my play, but I want opinion on my build". Then I saw you just denying every suggestion other people have made (some of previous suggestions have already mention how this would fail to a 6gates, which is wat my 2nd point was). Take some criticism and stop being stubborn.. | ||
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PorkyPlague797
United States31 Posts
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Jotoco
Brazil1342 Posts
On March 10 2011 09:37 PorkyPlague797 wrote: I believe this build has potential, and I believe it has problems, but I wont close this thread after one comment saying it won't work. The problem here, I think, is the lack of effort in the OP. If you so much as described it more, why you do it, how you do it, and WHEN you do it, it would be a lot better. Just don't throw stuff around and have people understand what you mean. If you put more work towards your initial post, most people here wouldn't have post what they did, and the discussion would flow better. If you can, please clean up the OP, put more info in it and make it look easier on the eyes, so people actually read it before replying. I like this build, I do it too, and it would benefit everyone if the discussion was better, and for it to happen a better OP needs to be made, if possible. Thanks for your effort, but I'm sure you can do better. If you need help doing it, PM me. EDIT: I sound a little harsh above, but I don't mean to be mean or anything, just trying to help. And you should probably change the title so it reads Brood Lord Game plan, because it has no definite build, really. I do it while fast expanding too, and sometimes put down a roach warren or even Hydra den! | ||
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Kornholi0
Canada634 Posts
On March 10 2011 09:16 PorkyPlague797 wrote: Sorry to ask again, but does anyone know where I can find that lalush vs whitera game? Day9 did a daily on it... Other than that check all the pro replay sites like SC2rep.net http://sc2rep.net/replays/starcraft-2-replay-z-mǂlalush-vs-p-duckloadra-shakuras-plateau-02-24-2011 Here is one I found I don't know if its the game you are looking for but it matches the length... | ||
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NoisyNinja
United States991 Posts
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DeepCorrupted
United States84 Posts
On March 10 2011 09:12 PorkyPlague797 wrote: Just watched your rep. That was quite different then what I was thinking. I'm not sure in your situation the brood lords really helped you win that, but the way you could go mass corruptor to kill air and collosus, then you were able to morph as many broods as you wanted was interesting. I really liked the idea of having the overseers and corruptors to kill obs, then you could use burrow micro more effectively. well i feel its safer with my build just because it has a stronger back bone to it. From what I can remember.... I haven't lost a zvp when i was doing this... now I THINK *IMPORTANT*. I'm not really sure If i have lost with it but it's concept is very similar to yours and it is possible. I just feel that yours is weak against a push justbecause your saving all your money for broods. edit: oh and the corruptor/seer to kill obs wasn't for burrow micro of healing the weak ones, its a burrow so you can pass Force fields (just clarifying) | ||
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DeepCorrupted
United States84 Posts
On March 10 2011 09:45 NoisyNinja wrote: How do you deal with a 4 gate/3 gate robo push? I see a lot of that in silver and nobody seems to like macro games (outside of the top 10 in a division, Silver 7 here)? sorry, but this isn't the appropriate place to ask this question. Its best that you use the search function. In order to deal with these, you need to know that they are doing it. The way I personally deal with them is spinecrawlers at my natural and lots of zerglings and maybe roaches. The key is to stop droning and make a crap ton of units. To see what they are doing, throw an overlord into their base at around 5 minutes (i think its 5) and then see what they have. Then you should start making units and defense. oh... and keep an eye to make sure he doesnt send out a probe. Try to kill his probe that he sends out so he cant make a proxy pylon, just dont lose all your units | ||
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PorkyPlague797
United States31 Posts
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PorkyPlague797
United States31 Posts
Also, this is a strategy that I have only recently started using. It is still very much under development and polish. The reason I posted was to spark ideas, and share the replays I have to back it up. I think this sort of thing could help zerg branch out more in the future, especially now that the new, larger maps have been added to the ladder. | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
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PorkyPlague797
United States31 Posts
On March 10 2011 09:44 Kornholi0 wrote: Day9 did a daily on it... Other than that check all the pro replay sites like SC2rep.net http://sc2rep.net/replays/starcraft-2-replay-z-mǂlalush-vs-p-duckloadra-shakuras-plateau-02-24-2011 Here is one I found I don't know if its the game you are looking for but it matches the length... Thanks for the response, guess I missed that daily  In the game they played, Lalush held off a 5gate by Whitera, and got his brood lords out at around 17:30. Once again, I'm not posting a guide to this new strategy, but this game is a great example of how something like this might viable soon. | ||
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