Meet the New ZERG BALL OF DEATH: THE ULTRA QUEENS! - Page 2

On February 04 2011 10:37 iChau wrote:


Because this is late-game? Read, please.

On February 04 2011 10:31 whatthefat wrote:
The ultra/queen synergy is something that's already been discussed a lot in other threads over the last month. Generally it's been concluded that rushing to that composition is a bad idea, however. Zerg is better off buying time with a T2 composition, e.g., muta/ling/bling vs. T, and then later transitioning into an army that involves ultras and queens. Ultra/baneling is an extremely potent combination, and queens complement it, both in terms of creep spread and transfusion.

On February 04 2011 10:45 Skinnyowllegs wrote:


Read what I said instead -.-

On February 04 2011 10:51 PepperoniPiZZa wrote:
Did you know that there already exist zerg army compositions that are very hard to beat? The problem is getting there. It's so hard to tech to ultras under constant aggression, massing queens while achieving the tech is ludicrous. Certainly, at your level, where absolutely nothing happens in the early and midgame, it's an achievable task but better players will roflstomp you.

On February 04 2011 10:56 iChau wrote:


It's hard to get to, but it's not like there's "no way in hell" it can be achieved. When you're on multiple bases with macro hatches you can get a lot of queens, and queens make larvae --> lots of ultras.

This is why it's late-game, because it takes long to get to. It's not easy, but it's possible.

(in higher level it's possible because of the above)

On February 04 2011 10:58 Skinnyowllegs wrote:


Did you know that there doesnt exist a zerg army composition that are very hard to beat? Both terran and protoss has 200/200 unit comps that are unbeatable at very high lvl (masters 3200+) for zerg. But maybe "at your lvl" you dont get "roflstomped" by good players.

On February 04 2011 11:02 iChau wrote:


Diamond 2800, can't get in Masters and I admit the reason is that I disconnect a lot and I lose to all fast pools (I always FE, IDGAF about losing occasional games). It ruins streaks that you need.

I used protoss death balls, and I admit, it's friggin' strong. If you're just insulting my league, then please don't post in these forums.

Protoss Colossi death ball is beaten by ultras or bl + speedling support, but void ray/colossi is a lot stronger, but however, can still be beaten (way hard though, not friggin' unbeatable) by large maps with 300 food push + t3 tech. I seen occasional replays of this, but on small maps I agree that it IS unbeatable, but on large maps it's not the same.

So, saving up larvae and having so many resources from being maxed is not enough to spam ultras? For queens, you should be making them as soon as you see some void rays. They're ALWAYS good as AA, and can tank damage. This is commonly accepted by TL already.

edit: Insulting me then quickly editing your post to make yourself sound more caring? Hmm.

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On February 04 2011 11:10 Skinnyowllegs wrote:


1. I didnt edit any of my posts.
2. Yes I am insulting your league cause I dont think that anyone other than the top tier of players should state opinions as facts.
3. spamming queens non stop in midgame weakens your army and economy to that point that you outright lose the game against good players (top masters).

Nice try, but no banana...

On February 04 2011 10:33 roymarthyup wrote:
because feedback is a powerful counter to queens and i use plenty of queens in my army and i would like a way to drain my queens energy so i can use them as anti air

On February 04 2011 11:22 iChau wrote:
my mistake, bad post.

However..




Queens don't weaken your army, in fact, they kill void rays/tank damage plus the continual transfusions.

Hydras have greater DPS, but can they use it if they melt in 2 seconds?

They increase mobility (creep tumors), and once you have a lot of macro hatches you can do consecutive 300 food pushes (larvae spam, never run out of larvae ever again).

How does it weaken your economy? In fact, it also saves your larvae (resources), but "no way in hell" does in weaken your economy. Does it spend larvae? No.

Sorry, nice try, but no banana...

(Are you the top tier of players? If you were, you would know that it doesn't weaken the army+economy. "You should also not talk if not.")

You should have multiple in-base-hatches by the time there's a death push.

On February 04 2011 13:32 [Eternal]Phoenix wrote:
By the time you can get ultras out with a reasonable number of hatcheries to make queens, a reasonable number of bases to make it not a chz allin, decent upgrades to make your ultras, and nydus and/or drop to make your stuff not immobile and useless - well terran can have 3 bases, mass tanks with marine support and thors or marauders. Protoss can have 3 bases with immortals, colossus or storm, AND voidrays or even a mothership.

You're basically only going to be able to support that army in a lategame situation where T and P are finishing their tech trees up and massing more production off 3 + bases. Yes, you can have 6 base or something. No, it doesn't matter worth a damn. Once T or P gets a maxed army off 3 bases there is no army composition that will do ANYTHING to kill it. You cannot harass a T with turrets+PFs+a couple tanks. You cannot harass a protoss with warpin storm and cannons.

I don't see how you'll ever be able to gain an advantage past that point with ANY playstyle, and ultraqueen requires a massive amount of time to remax, so if you fail an attack the game is over.

I'm sorry, from the games I just played and from prior experience, zerg cannot win lategame with any army composition without being stupidly ahead. This is a fantastic effort, but until Blizzard does something you're best off finding a 2 base allin that works well and using that instead.