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Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8242 Posts
September 28 2015 22:45 GMT
#17221
On September 29 2015 04:27 dr3am_b3ing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2015 18:10 Excludos wrote:
On August 29 2015 13:17 Damien wrote:
How is the best way to counter zealots on wings of liberty? We terrans don´t have hellbats or mines.


Marines, Marauders and eventually Medivacs.. The same as always


No medivacs in WoL dude, just medics


WoL is not Broodwar :p
dr3am_b3ing
Profile Joined May 2015
Canada188 Posts
September 29 2015 19:25 GMT
#17222
Yo ignore the medics shit I'm just a fucking noob lol
Potassium Gang
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
September 29 2015 20:17 GMT
#17223
Why do Terrans often rally new units into their base after having pushed out with their initial force? Why not reinforce directly?

Is it because it's unsafe to go across the map parade style, or is it to fend off counter-attacks?
maru lover forever
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8242 Posts
September 29 2015 20:48 GMT
#17224
On September 30 2015 05:17 Incognoto wrote:
Why do Terrans often rally new units into their base after having pushed out with their initial force? Why not reinforce directly?

Is it because it's unsafe to go across the map parade style, or is it to fend off counter-attacks?


Yes. If you're against, say, zerg, and you just rally units across, you could end up losing a ton to simple zerglings ambushing them on the way. Terran units are really weak alone, but strong in a group, so you want to move out when you have a group strong enough. It also helps against counterattacks and such.

its equally important to consider what you want to accomplish with your attack. If you just plan on doing as much damage as possible, suiciding your units on the way, you really don't want to rally out everything else you're making and suicide that as well, as a counterattack afterwards could be devastating without any defense left.
narcolepss
Profile Joined October 2015
1 Post
October 06 2015 01:48 GMT
#17225
What are optimal zerg hotkey setups like just nice quality of life things to have?
florlblisss
Profile Joined October 2015
2 Posts
October 13 2015 19:00 GMT
#17226
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florlblisss
Profile Joined October 2015
2 Posts
October 13 2015 19:02 GMT
#17227
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AbouSV
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany1278 Posts
October 15 2015 12:39 GMT
#17228
On October 06 2015 10:48 narcolepss wrote:
What are optimal zerg hotkey setups like just nice quality of life things to have?


Oh, bot uping the thread so we can answer a forgotten question, how nice!

So as you might have found since, there is no 'optimal setup'. I can only give you general idea and a couple common examples:
1) Core HK (needed in almost any cases)
-1HK for all hatches
-1HK for all queens
-2HK for army

2) Optional/situational ones
-3rd/4th HK for army (runby and/or [caster + 2 different army bulk] like (ling + bane) + (muta) + (invest))
-Upgrade buildings (spires, evo, pool...), whatever floats your boat.
-Creep queen(s)
-Creep tumours (never actually seen it used since you have to change it at every spread)
-Individual hatches (used as camera locations, or specific larva building for instance)
...

3) Examples
-1, 2, 3 army, 4 scoot (initial ovi then overseer, front ling, etc...), 5 hatchs, 6 queens, rest: extra. This is my config (0 is rebind on my mouse thumb). Usually 3 is my runby group.
-1 and 2 for army, 3 for hatches, 4 for queens. Then 5, 6 for extra (Stephano like. Note that he plays using the basic grid)
-1 hatch, 2, 3 army, 4 queens
Etc... (you get the idea)

I am a bit spread (you can still find worst), and Stephano is very condensed and straight forward, you have two different example.
Up to you to find what you prefer.
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-17 00:02:15
October 16 2015 19:58 GMT
#17229
my setup is 1 main army, 2 situational (banelings if ling bane, ground harass like small groups of roaches, infestors in games where i make infestors), 3 air, 4 all hatcheries, 5 creep queens (later in the game changed to vipers), and that's all i use. works well for me

as for little tips ive found that when i have a viper hotkey it's helpful to bind my overseers to the same hotkey, because when i pull the vipers back it keeps my overseers alive as well, which is useful in fights against protoss who go for the obnoxious overseer snipe-DT warpin trick, meching terrans who mix heavy banshees into their army, or protoss who make a mothership in their endgame army
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Kaspec
Profile Joined October 2015
5 Posts
October 26 2015 09:08 GMT
#17230
Hi. There are lot´s of questions, so it´s possible that this one was discussed before.

When I select transport unit, press D button (Unload All action in classic hotkeys) and click the transport unit, it will start to popping out every unit in the transport. Is there any possibility to cancel this process?

Is there any possibility to start this process on every selected transport in one action?

Thank you for answer.
Bareleon
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
371 Posts
October 30 2015 12:07 GMT
#17231
Is this a bug in hots?

When I play zerg and I do not have enough vespene gas for a unit, my adviser tells me I do not have enough but the thing is, the unit is grayed out, I don't have the tech yet to unlock the unit.

I must accidentally click on a grayed out unit or something.
EngrishTeacher
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Canada1109 Posts
October 31 2015 16:39 GMT
#17232
So nowadays I play on my desktop gaming rig, which gives me much better FPS than my old i5 laptop ever did.

The problem, however, is that I can't get used to the normal sized external keyboards. I play with default keys with just a few changed (camera keys, immortal from I to E, etc.), and I suck pretty badly with "real" keyboards, sometimes having to even look down at the keys. I thought it was because of the $20 keyboard I was using, so I tried out my friend's mechanical keyboard, which actually felt even worse. I gave it a good 3 months, and still couldn't get used to it.

I'm visiting my GF so all I have is my laptop with me, and after getting re-used to the laptop keyboard for ~5 games, my old Thinkpad X220 keyboard has become a dream come true. APM went up almost by 1/4 from ~140 to ~170, and I am noticeably doing everything much faster.

The keys are softer to press and closer together, and despite having the terribly designed Fn key right where ctrl should be, I'm still owning with just ~20 in game fps. Of course I'm hitting the wrong keys more frequently since they're so close together, but overall my gameplay has improved dramatically with the supposed downgrade.

I looked into compact desktop keyboards, but they're still no where nearly as compact as my 12 inch laptop's keyboard. Any suggestions for my dilemma? I play random at the low masters level if that helps.
flipstar
Profile Joined January 2011
226 Posts
November 01 2015 16:58 GMT
#17233
On November 01 2015 01:39 EngrishTeacher wrote:
So nowadays I play on my desktop gaming rig, which gives me much better FPS than my old i5 laptop ever did.

The problem, however, is that I can't get used to the normal sized external keyboards. I play with default keys with just a few changed (camera keys, immortal from I to E, etc.), and I suck pretty badly with "real" keyboards, sometimes having to even look down at the keys. I thought it was because of the $20 keyboard I was using, so I tried out my friend's mechanical keyboard, which actually felt even worse. I gave it a good 3 months, and still couldn't get used to it.

I'm visiting my GF so all I have is my laptop with me, and after getting re-used to the laptop keyboard for ~5 games, my old Thinkpad X220 keyboard has become a dream come true. APM went up almost by 1/4 from ~140 to ~170, and I am noticeably doing everything much faster.

The keys are softer to press and closer together, and despite having the terribly designed Fn key right where ctrl should be, I'm still owning with just ~20 in game fps. Of course I'm hitting the wrong keys more frequently since they're so close together, but overall my gameplay has improved dramatically with the supposed downgrade.

I looked into compact desktop keyboards, but they're still no where nearly as compact as my 12 inch laptop's keyboard. Any suggestions for my dilemma? I play random at the low masters level if that helps.


You should just play with a regular keyboard imo. To shorten the training or add value, perhaps changing to a different hotkey system would be a good idea since you need to relearn some habits anyways. For example http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/341878-thecore-advanced-keyboard-layout

Do you have very small hands by any chance? I find it weird that you cant get used to clicking a very limited amount of buttons after 3 months. I've had Touch-typing down for about 19 years, so I'm probably not one who can relate easily.
EngrishTeacher
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Canada1109 Posts
November 01 2015 19:02 GMT
#17234
On November 02 2015 01:58 flipstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2015 01:39 EngrishTeacher wrote:
So nowadays I play on my desktop gaming rig, which gives me much better FPS than my old i5 laptop ever did.

The problem, however, is that I can't get used to the normal sized external keyboards. I play with default keys with just a few changed (camera keys, immortal from I to E, etc.), and I suck pretty badly with "real" keyboards, sometimes having to even look down at the keys. I thought it was because of the $20 keyboard I was using, so I tried out my friend's mechanical keyboard, which actually felt even worse. I gave it a good 3 months, and still couldn't get used to it.

I'm visiting my GF so all I have is my laptop with me, and after getting re-used to the laptop keyboard for ~5 games, my old Thinkpad X220 keyboard has become a dream come true. APM went up almost by 1/4 from ~140 to ~170, and I am noticeably doing everything much faster.

The keys are softer to press and closer together, and despite having the terribly designed Fn key right where ctrl should be, I'm still owning with just ~20 in game fps. Of course I'm hitting the wrong keys more frequently since they're so close together, but overall my gameplay has improved dramatically with the supposed downgrade.

I looked into compact desktop keyboards, but they're still no where nearly as compact as my 12 inch laptop's keyboard. Any suggestions for my dilemma? I play random at the low masters level if that helps.


You should just play with a regular keyboard imo. To shorten the training or add value, perhaps changing to a different hotkey system would be a good idea since you need to relearn some habits anyways. For example http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/341878-thecore-advanced-keyboard-layout

Do you have very small hands by any chance? I find it weird that you cant get used to clicking a very limited amount of buttons after 3 months. I've had Touch-typing down for about 19 years, so I'm probably not one who can relate easily.


I tried grid keys for a bit, but 8 years of BW/SC2 muscle memory is too much to overcome. My hands are mid-sized, I can reach an octave + 2 keys on the piano which isn't too bad. I mean I have the dexterity to press keys in rapid succession, it's just the keys, especially location F keys, are way too far apart on a normal keyboard.

I guess I'll just have to find the smallest external keyboard I can, and hope they keep on producing that model. Any recommendations for a compact keyboard with soft press keys?
BlackZetsu
Profile Joined October 2014
United States179 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-07 18:49:32
November 07 2015 18:48 GMT
#17235
Question: Why wall the top of your ramp in PvP, like herO did against Classic in Game 1 yesterday? I understand why you might tight wall your ramp like Sora did against Stats in Proleague, but why build a non-tight wall? It seems to invite an automatic 3-gate since the core, gateway and pylon can be sniped so easily from the low ground, which herO had no answer to.
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
November 11 2015 01:42 GMT
#17236
Any standard openings for LotV yet? just need something to get me started/able to transition according to what I scout.

Would love some for TvT, TvP, and TvZ.
NiTroSc2
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States144 Posts
November 11 2015 08:26 GMT
#17237
whats the optimal number of workers per base in lotv?
Chronos.
Profile Joined February 2012
United States805 Posts
November 11 2015 22:02 GMT
#17238
Are lurkers viable in lotv? If so what matchups / situations are they used in?

I've been out of the scene for a while and haven't really seen any lurkers after watching some streams.
HyDrA_solic
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Portugal491 Posts
November 12 2015 04:48 GMT
#17239
How do I beat 8gate adept all in, the timing hits @4.30min
I really am losing in it here, former top masters in HotS.. can't seem to get a grip on LotV since I didn't played the beta.
It's all about the reflections of freedom. Even though he hoped for a better world, with all his strenght, all his will, the most he could do was to make her smile.
Pursuit_
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States1330 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-12 09:06:38
November 12 2015 08:48 GMT
#17240
On November 02 2015 04:02 EngrishTeacher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 01:58 flipstar wrote:
On November 01 2015 01:39 EngrishTeacher wrote:
So nowadays I play on my desktop gaming rig, which gives me much better FPS than my old i5 laptop ever did.

The problem, however, is that I can't get used to the normal sized external keyboards. I play with default keys with just a few changed (camera keys, immortal from I to E, etc.), and I suck pretty badly with "real" keyboards, sometimes having to even look down at the keys. I thought it was because of the $20 keyboard I was using, so I tried out my friend's mechanical keyboard, which actually felt even worse. I gave it a good 3 months, and still couldn't get used to it.

I'm visiting my GF so all I have is my laptop with me, and after getting re-used to the laptop keyboard for ~5 games, my old Thinkpad X220 keyboard has become a dream come true. APM went up almost by 1/4 from ~140 to ~170, and I am noticeably doing everything much faster.

The keys are softer to press and closer together, and despite having the terribly designed Fn key right where ctrl should be, I'm still owning with just ~20 in game fps. Of course I'm hitting the wrong keys more frequently since they're so close together, but overall my gameplay has improved dramatically with the supposed downgrade.

I looked into compact desktop keyboards, but they're still no where nearly as compact as my 12 inch laptop's keyboard. Any suggestions for my dilemma? I play random at the low masters level if that helps.


You should just play with a regular keyboard imo. To shorten the training or add value, perhaps changing to a different hotkey system would be a good idea since you need to relearn some habits anyways. For example http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/341878-thecore-advanced-keyboard-layout

Do you have very small hands by any chance? I find it weird that you cant get used to clicking a very limited amount of buttons after 3 months. I've had Touch-typing down for about 19 years, so I'm probably not one who can relate easily.


I tried grid keys for a bit, but 8 years of BW/SC2 muscle memory is too much to overcome. My hands are mid-sized, I can reach an octave + 2 keys on the piano which isn't too bad. I mean I have the dexterity to press keys in rapid succession, it's just the keys, especially location F keys, are way too far apart on a normal keyboard.

I guess I'll just have to find the smallest external keyboard I can, and hope they keep on producing that model. Any recommendations for a compact keyboard with soft press keys?


I recommend the Vortex RACE. Pretty nice keyboard, super compact and especially the F# keys are well placed, decent build quality.

Here's a picture

On November 12 2015 13:48 HyDrA_solic wrote:
How do I beat 8gate adept all in, the timing hits @4.30min
I really am losing in it here, former top masters in HotS.. can't seem to get a grip on LotV since I didn't played the beta.


How are you opening atm? This build was absolutely terrible to hold in Beta, with 90hp 140shield adepts with a 2 second warp in time. Since the nerfs I've found that opening cc first into 3 rax medivac into 5 rax holds this off very well with just bio. Make sure you're putting your mauraders in front of marines, and contrary to what you might think you still want a very healthy marine count since they do much higher DPS vs adepts than marauders.

edit: Just realized I don't know what race you play I assumed Terran? Or is it viable against Zerg too?
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