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BetaWolf
Profile Joined June 2011
United States39 Posts
November 13 2011 05:58 GMT
#9081
for protoss, why would you get armor upgrade over shield upgrade or vice verse? I guess you would want armor upgrade first against terran for emps but does one generally benefit you more than the other?
vorxaw
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada245 Posts
November 13 2011 07:37 GMT
#9082
On November 13 2011 08:20 Slunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2011 08:09 vorxaw wrote:
I see pros hotkeying command centres not just to 4 and 5 but also often to 8/9/0
Whats the reasoning/benefit behind that and how exactly do they split CC among those hotkeys?


In Broodwar a lot of people had this habit to hotkey their main building to every hotkey in the beginning of the game and even among pros not a lot of people use the 890 keys, so they stay hotkeyed to CCs or whatever.
It may make sense however because if you hotkey PFs and OCs in the same group you cant build SCVs out of all if you dont shiftselect them.


Thanks Slunk, i have all cc's on 5, and just tab when i want to make scvs from all of them, which is kind of annoying i guess. So some people have all OCs and PFs on two diff hotkeys?

One thing I do is have the cc currently building for an expansion set to 8 in addition to 5, so when its done, i can just have my camera over the empty natrual, press 8,lift,land. I was wondering if the pros are doing that or something similar.
wafflehearthoe
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1 Post
November 13 2011 08:41 GMT
#9083
What is Starcraft?

User was banned for this post.
ALPINA
Profile Joined May 2010
3791 Posts
November 13 2011 12:04 GMT
#9084
Is hydra den is must in ZvP vs. FFE toss if you scout double stargate producing voids? Because it looks like spores and queens are comepletelly useless so just better go straight into hydras, or?
You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
November 13 2011 13:05 GMT
#9085
On November 13 2011 21:04 Alpina wrote:
Is hydra den is must in ZvP vs. FFE toss if you scout double stargate producing voids? Because it looks like spores and queens are comepletelly useless so just better go straight into hydras, or?

Yes. Infestors/spire take too long.
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tuestresfat
Profile Joined December 2010
2555 Posts
November 13 2011 13:21 GMT
#9086
Where can I read the story behind Starcraft?
DamVii
Profile Joined September 2010
63 Posts
November 13 2011 13:36 GMT
#9087
In ZvP, i wanna try 11p/18h, whats the timing for gas?
shaun3h
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom24 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-13 15:37:49
November 13 2011 15:21 GMT
#9088
just played a game and had a problem ive never had before. To give some background it was a ZvT xel naga.

- i hatch first he attacked i held it pulled ahead blah blah

- i tried to counter attack his expo and this is when i had problems

- With my view over his base i had wierd orange stuff all over my screen, i could not see units but could see health bars!

- this was only over his expo base, and then i checked and it was the same for his main, i couldnt see it for all this orange stuff. My vision was 100% normal over the rest of the map.

-he expanded far right and although this was previously fine after his expo went up then i had the same glitch, couldnt see anything through this wierd orange ****.

he seemed pretty confident i couldnt prove it, funny enough its not shown in the replay (though you can see where i am moving the screen finding the edges of where i cant see) thankfully sc2 is yet another fullscreen game that gives me black images from printscreen -___-

My question is : **Is this a known hack?** noone seems to know anything about it but i swear to god i've never had this before and refuse to believe it was luck due to it happening on his 3rd when the area was previously fine before he expo'd there..

*edit: the 2 screens i took actually saved into sc2 folder, so you can see what i see : http://www.mediafire.com/?5b87pmy1680lt9n this was only over his bases, rest of the map was normal. thank god i can prove im not crazy
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-13 16:57:32
November 13 2011 16:53 GMT
#9089
On November 13 2011 22:21 tuestresfat wrote:
Where can I read the story behind Starcraft?

Elaborate please. Do you mean the lore or game design or something else?



On November 14 2011 00:21 shaun3h wrote:
just played a game and had a problem ive never had before. To give some background it was a ZvT xel naga.
+ Show Spoiler +

- i hatch first he attacked i held it pulled ahead blah blah

- i tried to counter attack his expo and this is when i had problems

- With my view over his base i had wierd orange stuff all over my screen, i could not see units but could see health bars!

- this was only over his expo base, and then i checked and it was the same for his main, i couldnt see it for all this orange stuff. My vision was 100% normal over the rest of the map.

-he expanded far right and although this was previously fine after his expo went up then i had the same glitch, couldnt see anything through this wierd orange ****.

he seemed pretty confident i couldnt prove it, funny enough its not shown in the replay (though you can see where i am moving the screen finding the edges of where i cant see) thankfully sc2 is yet another fullscreen game that gives me black images from printscreen -___-

My question is : **Is this a known hack?** noone seems to know anything about it but i swear to god i've never had this before and refuse to believe it was luck due to it happening on his 3rd when the area was previously fine before he expo'd there..

*edit: the 2 screens i took actually saved into sc2 folder, so you can see what i see : http://www.mediafire.com/?5b87pmy1680lt9n this was only over his bases, rest of the map was normal. thank god i can prove im not crazy

You should just host your images on imgur.
+ Show Spoiler [Everyone take a look] +
[image loading]
[image loading]


It's pretty messed up but I would contact Blizzard. I've never seen anything like it. Rarely textures will be missing but this is another thing entirely.
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Teaboar
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland18 Posts
November 13 2011 17:05 GMT
#9090
On November 13 2011 00:28 envisioN . wrote:
The build you are looking for is the (Wiki)3 Gate Robo. It isn't the most effective build in all situations but it works and is safe in the majority of situations. Also check out (Wiki)Protoss Strategy for more builds and info.


Thanks for the reply. I've been practicing this build against the insane computer today and while I've been improving a bit I'm still getting completely stomped most of the time and I'd be interested to know how this opening should be modified against a very aggressive opponent, because the thing is that usually by the time my sentry is finished, the computer attacks me with a much bigger army and I usually can't hold it off even by cutting his army in half with force field etc.

The wiki link suggests going for a delayed robotic facility and cut down probe production but the thing is that this attack usually happens even before I've built my robotics facility. Naturally I could just build a forge + cannons and turtle like crazy but I don't really see myself getting a lot of useful practice out of that since I have yet to learn the basics. Any tips?
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
November 13 2011 17:13 GMT
#9091
I'll repost cuz no one replied:


Not strat but I don't know where else to ask.

Why is team liquid called liquid?

And why the horse logo?

Anyone know?
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
shaun3h
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom24 Posts
November 13 2011 18:30 GMT
#9092
On November 14 2011 01:53 Probe1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2011 22:21 tuestresfat wrote:
Where can I read the story behind Starcraft?

Elaborate please. Do you mean the lore or game design or something else?



Show nested quote +
On November 14 2011 00:21 shaun3h wrote:
just played a game and had a problem ive never had before. To give some background it was a ZvT xel naga.
+ Show Spoiler +

- i hatch first he attacked i held it pulled ahead blah blah

- i tried to counter attack his expo and this is when i had problems

- With my view over his base i had wierd orange stuff all over my screen, i could not see units but could see health bars!

- this was only over his expo base, and then i checked and it was the same for his main, i couldnt see it for all this orange stuff. My vision was 100% normal over the rest of the map.

-he expanded far right and although this was previously fine after his expo went up then i had the same glitch, couldnt see anything through this wierd orange ****.

he seemed pretty confident i couldnt prove it, funny enough its not shown in the replay (though you can see where i am moving the screen finding the edges of where i cant see) thankfully sc2 is yet another fullscreen game that gives me black images from printscreen -___-

My question is : **Is this a known hack?** noone seems to know anything about it but i swear to god i've never had this before and refuse to believe it was luck due to it happening on his 3rd when the area was previously fine before he expo'd there..

*edit: the 2 screens i took actually saved into sc2 folder, so you can see what i see : http://www.mediafire.com/?5b87pmy1680lt9n this was only over his bases, rest of the map was normal. thank god i can prove im not crazy

You should just host your images on imgur.
+ Show Spoiler [Everyone take a look] +
[image loading]
[image loading]


It's pretty messed up but I would contact Blizzard. I've never seen anything like it. Rarely textures will be missing but this is another thing entirely.


made a ticket to blizz, they suggest artifacting and overheating of my gpu.. the fact it was only over his bases was because there were more units on screen~

sounds plausible until i let you know i played loads of 3v3/4v4 games the rest of the afternoon and didnt have a single visual problem with 8 lots of armies fighting in the middle
Lazerlike42
Profile Joined July 2011
United States104 Posts
November 13 2011 19:52 GMT
#9093
What is the theory behind marine tank medivac TvT instead of Vikings? All the searches I've done have said it works because in the mid and late game, you have enough scans that you don't need Vikings for sight. What I don't understand is that, if you have medivacs and your opponent has vikings, the scans will help you defend against his pushing forward (you can scan whenever he tries to get in range, but they won't ever let you push forward yourself because with his vikings, you can never get into range without being shot.

The only other suggestion I've heard echoes Day9 and says that the player in the aggressive position uses Vikings but the player on the defensive uses medivacs to exploit immobility.

So my question: whay is the theory behind the popular Korean style of choosing medivacs over vikings from the very beginning of the game?
rsvp
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States2266 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-13 23:15:00
November 13 2011 23:13 GMT
#9094
On November 13 2011 22:05 NrGmonk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2011 21:04 Alpina wrote:
Is hydra den is must in ZvP vs. FFE toss if you scout double stargate producing voids? Because it looks like spores and queens are comepletelly useless so just better go straight into hydras, or?

Yes. Infestors/spire take too long.


Hmmm I disagree, lately I've been doing a lot of double stargate void play and I find that players who don't go hydras are the toughest to beat. If I go voids my goal is to force you to make hydras, because they it plays right into my HT or colo transition. I've seen some players just stick to spore/queen for defense while using roach/ling counter attacks to stop me from setting up a 3rd, as well as forcing me to use voids defensively while they get a big eco lead with full saturation of 3 base vs my 2 or even getting a 4th as well. Then later on they can make a big muta tech switch or just use roach/infestor/queen to kill me.

Note this does not mean to rush to infestor/spire, monk is right in that sense because infestor/spire does take too long to react to the initial void harass. Spire doesn't necessarily take too long but it's easily scouted and then I just switch to phoenix.
Actraiser
Profile Joined November 2011
United States47 Posts
November 14 2011 02:00 GMT
#9095
What's the proper way to kite your units? Like say you're microing a stalker vs lings or a zealot, should you just attack move back, or instead click back, use hold position command or stop command and repeat.. Or doesn't it make a difference? Hopefully that makes sense.

Also, I'm kinda confused about worker transfer for Protoss right now. I've read in the past that you should leave 16 probes at your main, and after that rally all probes from your main to your natural. And I still see players do that, but I've also watched games where toss players don't do it. So what gives? Is that the optimal way to do it or not, or does it depend on certain things?
Testie & Mondragon forever <3
envisioN .
Profile Joined February 2011
United States552 Posts
November 14 2011 02:18 GMT
#9096
On November 14 2011 11:00 Actraiser wrote:
What's the proper way to kite your units? Like say you're microing a stalker vs lings or a zealot, should you just attack move back, or instead click back, use hold position command or stop command and repeat.. Or doesn't it make a difference? Hopefully that makes sense.

Also, I'm kinda confused about worker transfer for Protoss right now. I've read in the past that you should leave 16 probes at your main, and after that rally all probes from your main to your natural. And I still see players do that, but I've also watched games where toss players don't do it. So what gives? Is that the optimal way to do it or not, or does it depend on certain things?

There is no "wrong" way to kite, whatever is comfortable for you. That said, I click the direction I want to go then hit stop, rinse and repeat. I hit stop and not hold because s is much easier to hit than h.

The most economical way would be to transfer a little over half of your probes from your main to your natural (2 or 3 more to nat) so that you mine out both bases around the same time. Using this way, rally each Nexus to its respective mineral field, so you will have just about even number of probes at each base, and each new probe from your main nexus can immediately start mining instead of having to transfer to your nat.
"Good works do not make a good man, but a good man does good works" -Martin Luther ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
InvXXVII
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada242 Posts
November 14 2011 03:38 GMT
#9097
Is there a reason why when some people post, the background on the post is in a darker blue than the normal posts? I've noticed this occurs for certain pro-gamers. Is the dark blue a reflection of pro-gamer status?

(I posted the same thing accidentally on the Dota forum. Please forgive me mods >.<)
A good loser is still a loser.
envisioN .
Profile Joined February 2011
United States552 Posts
November 14 2011 03:55 GMT
#9098
On November 14 2011 12:38 InvXXVII wrote:
Is there a reason why when some people post, the background on the post is in a darker blue than the normal posts? I've noticed this occurs for certain pro-gamers. Is the dark blue a reflection of pro-gamer status?

(I posted the same thing accidentally on the Dota forum. Please forgive me mods >.<)

I believe the darker blue post, like coL.rsvp 5 posts above me, is because that person is a "respected poster". This basically means that they have given back to the community on the forums in some way, whether it be with a few well produced guides or by helping out members of the community.
"Good works do not make a good man, but a good man does good works" -Martin Luther ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
rsvp
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States2266 Posts
November 14 2011 05:27 GMT
#9099
On November 14 2011 12:55 envisioN . wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2011 12:38 InvXXVII wrote:
Is there a reason why when some people post, the background on the post is in a darker blue than the normal posts? I've noticed this occurs for certain pro-gamers. Is the dark blue a reflection of pro-gamer status?

(I posted the same thing accidentally on the Dota forum. Please forgive me mods >.<)

I believe the darker blue post, like coL.rsvp 5 posts above me, is because that person is a "respected poster". This basically means that they have given back to the community on the forums in some way, whether it be with a few well produced guides or by helping out members of the community.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=193846
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
November 14 2011 05:34 GMT
#9100
On November 14 2011 08:13 coL.rsvp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2011 22:05 NrGmonk wrote:
On November 13 2011 21:04 Alpina wrote:
Is hydra den is must in ZvP vs. FFE toss if you scout double stargate producing voids? Because it looks like spores and queens are comepletelly useless so just better go straight into hydras, or?

Yes. Infestors/spire take too long.


Hmmm I disagree, lately I've been doing a lot of double stargate void play and I find that players who don't go hydras are the toughest to beat. If I go voids my goal is to force you to make hydras, because they it plays right into my HT or colo transition. I've seen some players just stick to spore/queen for defense while using roach/ling counter attacks to stop me from setting up a 3rd, as well as forcing me to use voids defensively while they get a big eco lead with full saturation of 3 base vs my 2 or even getting a 4th as well. Then later on they can make a big muta tech switch or just use roach/infestor/queen to kill me.

Note this does not mean to rush to infestor/spire, monk is right in that sense because infestor/spire does take too long to react to the initial void harass. Spire doesn't necessarily take too long but it's easily scouted and then I just switch to phoenix.


Let me rephrase. I've seen queen/spore be viable but only if you either know the 2 stargate is coming or if you just got a bunch of queens for some reason. I don't think mass queen/mass spore is very good reactively once the 3-4 voids are in your base. At that point, a panic hydra den is your only option.
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