It's definitely not unstoppable, you probably think it is unstoppable because you didn't have enough units, take advantage of the fact that he uses chronoboost on cybernitcs and that he places his other 3 gates late, and chrono boost units out of your multiple gates! I've stopped it multiple times with two gate robo builds and three gate robo/stargate! 2500~ masters here x.x.

But it is actually very annoying and very powerful and blizzard should make a change >_>.

mrblue182

United States151 Posts

January 16 2011 15:16 GMT

#44

In the latest GSL NSPGenius used a forcefield closer to the top of the ramp that completely blocked vision and stopped stalkers from blinking up.

Competent

United States406 Posts

January 16 2011 15:17 GMT

#45

Don't you hate when OPs lie about their rating/league.

4gate is stoppable, there isn't room for argument here, 2 gate robo, simple as that.

Sapphire.lux

Romania2620 Posts

January 16 2011 15:32 GMT

#46

So many bitter 4 gaters here lol

Yeah, NSPGenius used some nice forcefields to block Blink Stalkers, that should block vision for the pylon to.

Sanguinarius

United States3427 Posts

January 16 2011 15:39 GMT

#47

You should use the FFs more for splitting and less for simply blocking the ramp. let 1-2 units up every time. If they warp in up the ramp the better part of their army will be below the ramp.

No one said its easy to defend it, but its not impossible.

Leeoku

1617 Posts

January 16 2011 15:53 GMT

#48

FF are always put at least at the middle upwards..

Holes

Canada26 Posts

January 16 2011 16:19 GMT

#49

You should have enough units to kill anything he's warping in on the high ground... which will almost be dead by the time they're done warping in.

Stalkers on the low ground don't do enough damage to worry about for the brief time they have vision.

Splitting his army is a good option, which was already stated.

A pylon that close to your ramp should be scouted and killed before it finishes unless they have units defending it (which they usually won't).

Your builds should include 2-3 warp gates against any protoss, since 4gate is the most popular build, especially PvP.

Cannon rushes counter 4gate.

I hope this isn't a troll topic. o.O

ZeromuS

Canada13389 Posts

January 16 2011 16:32 GMT

#50

Its not unstoppable but it is difficult. The four gate is the safest build pvp along with the 2 gate robo. The 2 gate robo does well if you can hold off the four gate when it first comes and you achieve a tech advantage. The 4 gate though exploits a small timing where the teching opponent hasnt yet taken advantage of his tech or has only one tech unit. This is especially the case if you decide to forego a sentry and go straight for an immortal and tech.

Fruscainte

4596 Posts

January 16 2011 16:34 GMT

#51

4 gating at the bottom of the ramp instead of the middle of it.

Wat

Crappy

France224 Posts

January 16 2011 16:36 GMT

#52

On January 17 2011 00:17 Competent wrote:
Don't you hate when OPs lie about their rating/league.

4gate is stoppable, there isn't room for argument here, 2 gate robo, simple as that.

The fact that you never play against good 4gate don't allow you to say that i lie.

Scoop

Finland482 Posts

January 16 2011 16:38 GMT

#53

You can use two forcefields to block the ramp completely so he can't warp on the ramp.

adrift

192 Posts

January 16 2011 16:45 GMT

#54

can still be stopped by other builds on most maps

there are some exceptions though. like scrap station

Wolf

Korea (South)3290 Posts

January 16 2011 16:50 GMT

#55

People have always been able to do this ?.. Just cut his army in half like Tyler said. It's all about micro. In PvP, forcefields don't mean "Okay I don't have to worry about him anymore". It means, "Okay, I'll be fine if I micro well."

If you don't 4gate in PvP, you better be damn sure you have good enough micro to stop a 4gate.

TypeFake

United States121 Posts

January 16 2011 18:00 GMT

#56

Unless you're not paying attention on the minimap and your ramp, there's absolutely no excuse for you to whine about not being able to block a 4 gate. Plus, you can buy yourself time for 1 base Colossus to melt his army away and just proceed to destroy him even if he expands and tries to rebuild his army.

FinnGamer

Germany2426 Posts

January 16 2011 18:04 GMT

#57

No Build order is unstoppable 4 gate can be defended when the players are equally skilled and micro well

Yoshi Kirishima

United States10366 Posts

January 16 2011 18:05 GMT

#58

Thanks for sharing a nice trick, but 4gate is not the only way to counter. You can definitely just 2 gate or some kind of push that will hit before his warpgate upgrade will be able to make its worth.

jcroisdale

United States1543 Posts

January 16 2011 18:08 GMT

#59

On January 16 2011 23:38 MindRush wrote:
just 3 question for you, mister Crappy (the OP)

- Are you the kind of toss who always goes 2/3 gate robo then observer for scouting?
- Are you the kind of player who never attempts to scout unless with 1st scouting probe? (and the only reason he does that is cause he has seen people do this on husky's channel)
- Are you the kind of player who stays with his army in his base and low apm and waits for that damn observer to see what his opponent is doing, and when he scouts the shit, he can't fix it?

If you are one of this things, but SCOUTMORE, for only 22.99APM. SCOUTMORE is a revolutionary product used by progamers, league winners and amateurs alike. Tests show that the proper use of SCOUTMORE benefits agains cheeses, rushes, hidden expos and even map control issues. So why wait? Buy SCOUTMORE today and get free Xel'Naga vision and map information.

Your an asshole, instead of having the OP say that and you guys get in a flame war, im going to say it. There is no need to do what you did. Ya 4gate is sort of annoying and some people are calling it standard but most of my PvPs around.the 2500 diamond level all are variations of a 4gate i see lots of people getting 4gate blink or 4gate robo etc...

But a good way to defend this is 3gate robo get two immortals out throw down another gateway and start producing out of them forget the robo with your two Immortals you should be able to push him back and counter attack or expand.

Backpack

United States1776 Posts

January 16 2011 18:09 GMT

#60

Anyone who thinks 4gate is dumb needs to stop 14 pooling or going 3 rax. Those builds are too easy and everyone does them.

It's a build, get over it.