PvP , why 4gate is unstopable ? - Page 2

On January 16 2011 23:11 Leviance wrote:
Watch White-Ra vs Naniwa game 2 Homestory Cup 2 to see how to defend

On January 16 2011 23:39 Markwerf wrote:
This trick is ages old.

Sure it is easy for P to force themselves onto a ramp through a forcefield. Besides this trick there is also the hallucinated colossus (tramples the forcefields) and the blink stalker rush.
This doesn't mean the forcefield isn't effective.... THe FF still cuts the army in half AND forces the attacking player to warp right in front of the defender's units (which can be easily picked off).

The key to defending a 4 gate is just to not make too many sentries (just 1 or 2) and have some ranged units with that. There are still tons of strats that defend a 4 gate easily (2 / 3 gate robo or dt tech for example).

If there is any problem with a 4 gate it's not the power of the 4 gate but how hard it is to scout imo. For example a FE and 4 gate build have the same build up to the point of the expo really, so if you defend with a 3 gate robo build you still lose to a FE build. DT build is good vs both but then again loses to a robo build and needs to be committed too very early.

On January 16 2011 23:10 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
I've stopped 4gate plenty of times with 2gate robo and 3gate stargate. The force fields are for splitting his army, like force fields are almost always used. And you have a very narrow passage to defend, so you can be successful without superior numbers, because all your units attack simultaneously when an enemy unit comes up the ramp, but all enemy units cannot attack simultaneously, and cannot focus fire.

On January 16 2011 23:10 emythrel wrote:
surely you should be putting your FF on the ramp, not below it. your enemy has vision of the ramp, which means they can warp in on it. if you FF on the ramp they cannot warp in since the FF takes up the space. That way they have to get a zealot up the ramp first before they can warp in above the FF.

On January 16 2011 23:11 AdrenalGBR wrote:
Yep, this has been around for quite some time and I'm sure there have probably been threads on it but people still don't seem to understand how it works (I had to explain it to some guy in a ladder game yesterday).

4-gate can still be defended by other builds in certain situations (cf. forelmashi beating MaNa, TLOpen #8) like if they try and surprise you with it after using all their chronos and not cutting Probes at 16. MaNa also had trouble against ZeeRaX in a recent tournament although he ended up winning that game in pretty incredible fashion.

No seriously, 4 gate in PvP is pretty fun, and rewards good play (micro+multitask+chrono). I dont get why 4 gate in PvP can't be fun.
On the contrary, stupid cannon rushes take no skill and are cheesy as hell.

On January 16 2011 23:33 413X wrote:
Why the hell are people defending this by saying "learn to counter 4gate"? Forcefielding the lower side of the ramp IS the damn counter. If you manage to get that pylon up when just before your warp gates finnish and you don't have 4 gate yourself, u have lost. If you say anything otherwise, it's the 4gater himselfs fault in some way.

On January 16 2011 23:38 MindRush wrote:
just 3 question for you, mister Crappy (the OP)

- Are you the kind of toss who always goes 2/3 gate robo then observer for scouting?
- Are you the kind of player who never attempts to scout unless with 1st scouting probe? (and the only reason he does that is cause he has seen people do this on husky's channel)
- Are you the kind of player who stays with his army in his base and low apm and waits for that damn observer to see what his opponent is doing, and when he scouts the shit, he can't fix it?

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On January 16 2011 23:39 REM.ca wrote:
I don't understand what you want patched. I don't see the bug here. Doesn't this work as intended?

I hope you're not proposing that gaining vision of high ground once 3/4 up the ramp needs to be patched.

On January 16 2011 23:54 Dingotrold wrote:
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