[Q] PvT Pure marauder viking medivac - Page 3

On December 06 2010 08:40 GoldenH wrote:
1) If you see mass Marauders, the critical mass of Colossus is 8-9. Furthermore, you have to actually *focus fire* them on a clump of Marauders. The normal 'lol colossus spread their fire over the entire army' doesn't work here. You could have made colossus work if you'd gotten more robo bays. You can support building 1.5 colossus per base, so on 3 bases you could've been building 4 colossus at a time, more than enough to win.

2) lol stalkers are the worst unit in the game, never build them ever. If you need anti-air, build Phoenix. If you need to keep an army away from your colossus, build sentries. Zealots are better than stalkers but worse than sentries.

3) VRs are the 'counter' to his marauder/viking army, but you didn't make enough of them. You can, like Colossus, build 1.5 Starports per base. But he had 6 barracks, so he could build 12 marines to your 4 VRs - the marines will win, especially with viking backup. You have no chance to win with VRs alone in this case unless you can pick off some barracks. You might have succeeded with carriers, ironically.

Edit: Oh, and don't go Immortal, he builds 1 ghost and then his marauders roll over your Immortals.

Hmm thinking about this I think marauder/thor with a scattering of vikings, ghosts and marines should crush Protoss...

On December 06 2010 09:44 Kvothe wrote:


I basically disagree with everything you just posted....
1) critical mass of colossus is 8-9? When do you ever see 8-9 colossus, that is just an absurd amount. Around 5 colossus is good, too many and you lack the ground forces to stop his vikings.

2) stalkers are now the worst unit in the game, news to me. If you are wanting to go gateway units coupled with colossus you need a pretty good spread of zealots and stalkers with several sentries mixed in. Your zealots tank the dmg while the stalkers are protecting your colossus and doing good dmg against his marauders.

3) VRs are now the counter to bio balls, you noticed he switched to marines pretty easily in the match which really hurts VRs. I think you would have done better to have gone phoenix instead of VR.

My advice would be don't go one base colossus, don't attack up his ramp without splitting his army in half. Mix a few immortals in if he has that many marauders, most mid/low diamond will never build a ghost anyway and immortals are very good against marauders. After your first attack failed and you saw how many marauders he started building, i would have completely switched to immortals with your gateway units.

On December 06 2010 10:58 GoldenH wrote:


#1 the more colossus you have, the less stalkers you need. If you have 5 colossus then you will lose many dozens of stalkers and when they are gone the colossus die. If you have 8-9 colossus you will lose no stalkers, so you can get away with just having 6-8 Stalkers for anti air and picking off weak units. A critical mass of Colossus will destroy any clump of marauders in one hit, which is what you want.

#2 Zealots don't tank damage except for damage that was never going to be done anyway. Think about it. More marauders will be able to shoot at a zealot that is close than a colossus that is far away behind a sentry line. Zealots are only good early game to discourage colossus sniping.

#3 How can VRs be the counter to bio balls, when half the bio ball is so efficient that it can kill a VR for 1/3 the cost? It's simply an absurd statement.