[Q] PvT Pure marauder viking medivac - Page 2

On December 05 2010 09:03 kcdc wrote:
It sounds like you already know that zealots are a big part of the solution. If you've been killing marauders all game but the medivacs have been retreating (and without watching the replay, it sounds like this may have happened) to the point that they have 10+ medivacs, marauders can seem impossible to kill. My first tip is engage in open areas. If T has a lot of medivacs, zealots need surface area to do damage faster than medivacs heal. My second tip is feedback the medivacs and hunt down retreating medivacs with blik stalkers. The last thing I'll note is that if you have a big economic lead and the only thing standing between you and victory is vikings, you can make phoenixes to hunt them down. After vikings start killing your collosi, you can either switch to HT or try to win air control with phoenixes. IMO, phoenixes are the less cost-effective option, but if you have an economic lead, it's a direct and quick way to go. It also deals with the medivac problem.

On December 06 2010 07:12 shingbi wrote:
Scout his whole base with your obs and his expansion. Keep scouting with it.

You know he has vikings and you go out to attack him with colo/zealot and 2 sentries for anti air? How did you expect that would work? And then you don't use your sentries at all. No GS, no FF.

Your base layout could be better. It's very hard for your units to get around your base. You will eventually lose games because of this (a drop/banshee attack will kill all your probes because your units can't get in a position to kill it).

Your macro slips pretty badly while you go out to attack. You should try to line up your additional production buildings with your expansion coming online.

Keep your units in a position to defend both your bases. Of course he has all the time in the world to snipe your expansion nexus if your army is hanging out at your main base.

Could use some more hotkeys. One for your army for starters.

Spread out pylons to give vision (for example on the high ground above your natural, so you can see it if he tries to take down the rocks).

Big battle at 22:00, again no sentry use at all.

Counter wise, the transitions in PvT when playing against MMM will often look like this:

At the start gateway units do well against MM in small numbers. Then as the infantry ball reaches a certain size (and medevacs come out), the protoss gets colos. Then the Terran gets a lot of vikings to kill the colos. At that point the protoss has to get high templar (both to help kill the infantry and to storm the bunched up vikings).

(Of course there are other transitions... straight to templar or I guess stargate, though I don't have much experience with that.)

So given these transitions, protoss can pressure at the very beginning and at the time when you got your colos, but the terran hasn't got enough vikings yet. In order to take full advantage of the second timing, you might want to consider going double robo to get a good number of colos faster. And obviously take some anti air to take care of the few vikings the terran does have. And after that you need to start thinking about getting templar soon.

The main problem is I have no idea how to use forcefield. What is the general principle about using forcefield besides blocking his ramp or blocking retreat?

On December 06 2010 07:50 shingbi wrote:
Depends on the situation.

There's basically three things you can do (aside from blocking retreat). You can drop them on top of your own units (like against zerglings), which will make it harder to get a good surround. You can drop a line of forcefields in the middle of a group of units, which will cut them off and hopefully make it so that some of them can't attack (obviously works better against melee/short ranged units) or you can drop the force field along the line where his attack arc would be, which essentially creates a choke in your favor.

On December 06 2010 07:38 HardCorey wrote:
Yo Froadac, I took a look at your replay and made a video reviewing it. Its a video series ive been doing that I call HardCorey QuestionTime. I thought you played pretty well and had a nice economic and army advantage that you threw away. I talked a bit about how to keep an advantage and spend your money more effectively.

Heres the Link: HardCorey QuestionTime #10: PvT Keeping an Advantage against Terran

My Main Thread


Hope this Helps,
-HardCorey

Edit:Video is Working! :D

On December 06 2010 08:05 FeyFey wrote:
with forcefields you try to split the enemy army in half using the superior range of your units to only fight half of the army and keeping it from reatreating. With superior range i mean stalkers. your zealots would die to fire from behind the forcefield, but people mostly use them as tanks, because terrans often don't start focusing the sentrys with their trapped units and if they would try they are blocked by the zealots. (killing the sentrys will often end in the toss spending more gas on sentrys so a later tech etc)
Playing terran atm and i noticed that a toss often doesn't micro his sentrys back after force fielding, so i focus them down with my trapped units.

Also you can use sentrys to reatreat or keep the enemy from reatreating.

Personally i quickly went away from sentrys because they are to fragile and went to phoenix, because they give you map control, scouting and everything nice. After realising gate way units aren't my taste i used robo stargate unit heavy armys and could win games pretty easily against terrans. (except they went for early ghosts and i let em save up to much energie)

On December 06 2010 08:18 dukethegold wrote:
Chargelots with well placed forcefields would rape pure marauder armies.

That's why Terran needs to mix marines into the bio ball.

On December 06 2010 08:40 GoldenH wrote:
1) If you see mass Marauders, the critical mass of Colossus is 8-9. Furthermore, you have to actually *focus fire* them on a clump of Marauders. The normal 'lol colossus spread their fire over the entire army' doesn't work here. You could have made colossus work if you'd gotten more robo bays. You can support building 1.5 colossus per base, so on 3 bases you could've been building 4 colossus at a time, more than enough to win.

2) lol stalkers are the worst unit in the game, never build them ever. If you need anti-air, build Phoenix. If you need to keep an army away from your colossus, build sentries. Zealots are better than stalkers but worse than sentries.

3) VRs are the 'counter' to his marauder/viking army, but you didn't make enough of them. You can, like Colossus, build 1.5 Starports per base. But he had 6 barracks, so he could build 12 marines to your 4 VRs - the marines will win, especially with viking backup. You have no chance to win with VRs alone in this case unless you can pick off some barracks. You might have succeeded with carriers, ironically.

Edit: Oh, and don't go Immortal, he builds 1 ghost and then his marauders roll over your Immortals.

Hmm thinking about this I think marauder/thor with a scattering of vikings, ghosts and marines should crush Protoss...