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Dominator:]
36 Posts
 and yes this does make me change my strat drastically my normal pvt is collosus into 7 gate and i win a huge percentage of them but if there is a bunker cheese (or your fake bunker cheese) i would go 4 gate and try to kill your barrack and then go steamroll you. but you can see why this would help you a ton. also i would probably take some probes off my line to kill that bunker only furthering your lead. good way to throw a decent player off his practiced game plan | ||
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Galleon.frigate
Canada721 Posts
actually as a zerg player I have to ask , how would you hold such off? I'm used to wall in or sim-city wall in around cc, but I have never come across a t did neither that I wasn't able to make pay for it. obviously just building units and holding out zerg style would seem to be the anwser, but I'vej ust never seen it. Have to ask | ||
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dekuschrub
United States2069 Posts
gotta kill that building scv also they can tell if you are playing standard by how many scvs you have and whether you have taken gas | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
PS. You don't need a wall if you go for 5rax reaper really, from experience if you try to counter when he's not looking a few reapers can easily hold it off (assuming you're going in wtih around 12-15 lings) as long as nitro packs has finished, and now you're defenses are much weaker yourself. It's essentially all-in, you have to get some dmg with that backstab or you lose. That's just one of the situations btw commenting on no wall-in. I've seen terrans do it all the time btw, without reapers, but I don't go for an early aggressive strat too often (I mix it up occasionally) so I don't really know how they'd respond otherwise. | ||
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Towni
Austria144 Posts
As some people mentioned u can tell if theres a proxy by supply, gas, scv count or even orbital command. If u have the feeling ur opponent knows whats up u can skip the bunker. The only thing which can happen is that he taks 3 scv to kill your building scv but his first marine will pop out even before bunker is finished assuming both raxes were build simultaniously. The bunker would be alot more frightening if u build your rax just a little bit earlier to force him to use some scvs and loose mining time. Over all i think some people will get nervous and some not at all. I only spoke about tvt as u can see. Just my two cents. 1400 diamond here. | ||
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Senorcuidado
United States700 Posts
I must try this! I never cheese but a cheese juke is kosher in my book  | ||
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kmart2k1
1 Post
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Zeroes
United States1102 Posts
As a zerg player reapers are pretty nasty. I think you should go gas before your rax that way the Z will see your gas and automatically think reapers. It is very hard to tell what you are doing unless the Zerg knows how to count scvs. Also as a follow up I think it would just be better to continue on with a timing push rather than try anything funky because you already slowed down the zerg's economy. | ||
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trevf
United States237 Posts
On September 22 2010 02:34 Galleon.frigate wrote: actually as a zerg player I have to ask , how would you hold such off? I'm used to wall in or sim-city wall in around cc, but I have never come across a t did neither that I wasn't able to make pay for it. obviously just building units and holding out zerg style would seem to be the anwser, but I'vej ust never seen it. Have to ask What I was 'not true'ing was that a rush will come if you're not walled. Besides, after I feel my ruse is up I simply float my rax to join the wall. | ||
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trevf
United States237 Posts
On September 22 2010 03:01 Zeroes wrote: This works wonders for ZvT because reapers are so scary in that mu. Nesh did this to be = [ As a zerg player reapers are pretty nasty. I think you should go gas before your rax that way the Z will see your gas and automatically think reapers. It is very hard to tell what you are doing unless the Zerg knows how to count scvs. Also as a follow up I think it would just be better to continue on with a timing push rather than try anything funky because you already slowed down the zerg's economy. I'm with you here, I'm thinking a 10 rax build into tanks rauders and if I see Lair toss an armory / eng bay and eventually CC down to be ready for the muta counter and position myself for an economic advantage. | ||
Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
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Grebliv
Iceland800 Posts
This has been used for ages in bw, that is hidden pylons and such to fake the proxy tech. | ||
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trevf
United States237 Posts
On September 22 2010 03:17 Zelniq wrote: common on a map like scrap station so that zerg's will fly their overlord too far in and then explode to marines Yea theres a few really good spots for it on scrap station. It seems to me that it should be done a lot more often. It takes just a few seconds to reposition your rax by floating it after ou get a couple of rines out, and any information that you don't give away is information that your opponent has to work harder for. Anything you can do to get under the opponent's skin can give you an advantage. | ||
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skirmisheR
Sweden451 Posts
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Zinbiel
Sweden878 Posts
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BallsOfSteel
United States57 Posts
not true. btw when did the gold league's rally point get set to this thread? If you want to try to stop a Zerg attack without a wall, I'd be happy to show you why it doesn't work out so well. The only way I can see it happening early game is if you go Reapers, which are better as harass units anyways. Edit: A Speedling push is probably the best strategy against a Terran opponent that has no wall. This is because a Zerg can pump out Speedlings significantly faster than a Terran can pump out Marines/Reapers. The reason most Zerg do not attempt this is that they get killed at the ramp by a significantly smaller force of Marines. Confirmed no wall = no problem. And by the way, I'm Diamond Zerg in 1v1, 2v2 (RT), 3v3 (RT), and 4v4 (RT), not Gold. | ||
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Bxk
United States53 Posts
I mean, at worst you cut 1 marine production while the rax is floating, and there is no way for them to scout it unless they poke around your natural (which they might not, because they'd expect a proxy a lot closer to them) | ||
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guyGOTgirth
United States76 Posts
Also I'm impressed you guys can count workers that easily. Honestly, if they are proxying they will still have at least 7-8, and are you going to be like oh i thought he was proxying and I dont see his rax BUT there are 9 workers there, i am safe! Some bases are really huge (think blistering sands) are you not going to defend the proxy before you find he built his rax in a corner? Yeah I love theory crafting too, but if I saw an empty base I would immediately counteract it with SOMETHING aside from scouting till I confirmed I am screwed. | ||
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Voyager I
United States260 Posts
This is probably taking it well beyond practical, but it'd be effing hilarious if it worked. | ||
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Yotta
United States270 Posts
On September 21 2010 21:53 trevf wrote: If this was intentional, you are a comedic genius.That first moment when someone says, whow where the heck is his RAX!!! I'm playing psychological battlegames. The second moment, when that guy says, " omg a bunker in my base, curse you you cheesy rat". I feel as if someone who had a gameplan of a certain type may change it and leave their comfortable zone behind | ||
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